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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
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TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 01:07:23 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  Ungalukkaaga ennOda Vaathiyaar Paadal
  Vivasaayi idhO pOttu irukkaen, unga
  PPP site-il publish pannunga Sir! Courtesy
  Bhaskar-nnu pakkathula en paerum pOttudunga!
  
  Yaenna naan thaedadha idathil ellam thaedi
  kaanadha idathil ellam kandu edutha indha
  cassette.
  
  
  Vivasaayi ..... Vivasaayi .....
  
  Kadavul ennum mudhalaali
  kandu edutha thozhilaali
  
  Vivasaayi ..... Vivasaayi .....
  
  MuNNetra paadhaiyila manasa vaithu
  Mozhu moochaa adharkkaga dinam uzhaithu
  Mannilae muthu eduthu pirar vaazha
  Vanagum gunam udaiyOn Vivasaayi ....
  
  Vivasaayi ...... Vivasaayi .......
  
  Enna valam illai indha thiru nattil
  Yaen kaiyyai yaendha vaendum veLinattil
  
  OzhungAi paadu padu vayal kaattil
  Uyarum un madhippu ayal nattil
  
  Vivasaayi ...... Vivasaayi .......
  
  Karuppu endrum sivappendrum vaetrumaiyaa
  Karudhaamal ellarum ottrumaiyaai
  
  Poruppulla periyOrgal sonnabadi!
  Uzhaithaal perigAdhO saagupadi!
  
  Vivasaayi Vivasaayi .........
  
  
  Irundhidalaam nattil pala vanna kOdi
  EthanaiyO Katchigalin enna padi
  Parakka vaenum engum orE sinna kodi
  Adhu panjam illai ennum aNNa kodi
  Panjam illai ennum aNNa kodi
  
  Vivasaayi Vivasaayi .........
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 01:11:44 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  Thanks for the Padam, Music and Lyricist for
  those Songs. See you tomorrow!
  
  Ippo thoonga pOraen :-)))
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 01:13:02 EDT 1998
  
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  Oh! Sorry padikka Poraen! :-))))
  Paattunga illa, pusthagam :-))))
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Apr 23 01:41:28 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  
  Thanks for the lyrics of kadavuL ennum mudhalaaLi.
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Bhaskar posting parththa pindhaan enakku neenga
  ip paadal varigaL paththi ezhudhiya explanation
  njaabagam bvandhadhu! (So much for the length of
  this thread which makes one forget postings that
  one read in the same day!) Neenga koduththa explanation
  is certainly OK. Another explanation is:
  aaLbavargaLilEyE mudhanmaiyaana (mudhalaaLi) KadavuL,
  pala vERupatta thozhilaaLigaLil endha thozhilaaLiyai
  miga mukkiyam ena thErndhu (kaNdu) edukkiRaan? Vivasaayiyai!
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-50-126.tm.net.my) on: Thu Apr 23 07:07:09 EDT 1998
  
  KANCHANA:
  
  Anna restricted to dialogue and story alone in the cine field. But Mu.Ka has gone a step further to compose songs for the films. Even then he had to restrict writing songs for reasons I just cannot mention here. But he had to give chance to ohter lyricists, more to Udumalaiyaar. Let me give a list of songs that Karunanithi wrote:
  
  1. velka naadu velkavey- kanchi Thalaivan
  2. Pothu Nalam-Rangoon Radha
  3. Oru pEroLi-orEy Ratham
  4. Ootredukkum-Naam
  5. Anna Vaazhgavey-Naam
  6.Kudi uyara- Thookku Medadi
  7.Thhtralai Kandu- ""
  8. Ammaiyappa-Ammaiyappan
  9. Maari Magamaayi-Naam
  10. Surulu Meesai- Veeran Velu thamby
  11. Nenjukku Needhi-nenjukku Neethi
  12.Aara Amara- Makkal Aanayittaaal
  13.Puthiyathor- Naam
  14. Vazhkkai Ennum Odam-Poombukaar
  15. Oorukku uzhaippavandee- Manthiri Kumari
  16. ilvaahviniley oli Etrum deepam-parasakthy
  17.Kannam Kannam kannam santhanakkinnam-Poomalai
  18.Alaiyirukkuthu kadaliley-Kuravanchi
  19.manippura puthu manippura-Raja Rani
  20. Velayillatha-'' ''
  21. Aayiram Piraikal- thooku Medai
  22. Aazhi Soozha Raja Rani
  23. Kaathal Pura- ammaiyappan.
  24.Pesum Yaazhe Penmaney-Naam
  25.Manamilla-Naam
  26.Kurinji Malaril-Thookku Medai
  27. Odayiley- Rangoon Radha
  28. Ayarpaadi-" "
  29. Meelatha Sogam- Naam
  30. Onnu Kodutha- Marakka Mudiyuma
  31. Kaatril Aadum Mullaikkodiye-Rangoon Radha
  32. Kakitha ODam-Marakka Mudiyuma
  33. Poomaalai Neeyen -Parasakthy
  34. Thamizhey Theney Kanne Thalelo-Rangoon Radha
  35.Sinna Puthu-Ammaiyappan
  36.Neelakkadal- Ammaiyappan
  38.Vanga Vanga- Raja Rani
  39.Varuvai-Naam
  40.Leela- Raja Rani
  40. Neer Mel-Kanchi Thalaivan
  
  Thamizharasu Kazhagam:
  There was a group within Congress which felt that the congress was imposing norhtern doctrines in the south and nothing much was done to promote the interest of the Tamils, especially at a time when the powrful DMK was clamouring for the welbeing of the Tamils. This group also felt that Kamraj was isolating some powerful and talented personalities. So they formed the Thamizharasu Kazhagam not so much as a political party but to test the waters to see if they could win the support of the masses by capitalising on the culture of the Tamils. AP Nagarajan, Ma.Po.Sivagnanam, Ka Mu Sheriff, Producer Venu, later the TKS Brothers and a few others joined in.
  While not being able to break away a big faction from within the Congress, they made the mistake of attacking the DMK leaders. There was no clear-cut programmes, and financial backing, nor the needed leadership. Result? Slow, steady and peaceful death.(Is this politics, or history?)
  
  KA MU SHERIFF:
  
  Ka Mu Sheriff(KMS) is a good poet. You must read the "Ka Mu Sheriff Kavithaikal" to get a glimpse of his depth of poetic ability. He is also a good writer and a literary critic. You must have heard Umaru Pulavars's Seerappuranam. KMS had written a beautiful review of the ten chapters of the seerappuranam. Has also written good novels like Tanjai Ilavarasi, vidhiyai Velluvom, Nalla Manaivi. Had released collection onf poems entitled Oli and Amuthakalasam.He was also an editor of a magazine called Saattai. His contribution of songs for cinema had not been that many, yet he did create sufficient impact. He cannot be identified as a samooga paadalaasiriyar or kathal paadalaasiriyar. He has written songs for all occassions. The non-samooga padalkal are:
  
  1. Kaattukkuley kandapoovu kannai parikkuthu-Naan Petra Selvam
  2.Malaratha Malarellam Malaravey-Theivamey Thunai
  3.Thottakkara Chinna Maama, Thoppukulley Pogalama, kaattu maadu meyithu paar angey, En aasai maama kaval Azhagai puriyithey angey- Mathavi
  
  4. Vaanil Muzhu Mathiyai Kanden-Sivakami
  5. Eri Karayin Meley Poravaley-Muthalali
  6. Sittukkuruvi sittukkuruvi seithi theriyuma-Town Bus
  7.Ponnana Vazhvey Mannagi Pomo-Town Bus
  8.Ulavum Thenral Kaatriniley-Manthiri Kumari.
  9. Naan Petra Selvam nalamaana selvam-naan Petra Selvam
  
  The samooga Paadalkal are like:
  
  1. Panam Panthiyiley Kunam Kuppayiley
  2. Aada Venum Paada Venum Inbamaaga
  3.Annayai Pol Oru Theivamillai- Annayin aanai
  4. Vaazhnthaalum Esum Thaazhnthaalun Esum-Naan Petra Selvam
  5.Jathiyiley Naanga Thazhnthavanga-Puthu Yugam
  
  Of course Pattukkottaiyar will swallow every other song writer in so far as samoogap padalkal is concerned. His daily breath is samoogam. When Director Sridar praised PKS fir the kathal songs in Kalyana Parisu, PKS replied that he was having the samoogam in mind when he wrote those songs. He has written kathal songs, which were very much influenced by samooga sinthanaikal, which he himself admits.
  
  Vanakkam.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tk06.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 08:06:36 EDT 1998
  
  Mani:
  
  Enna ippadi mani maadiri pattungala kottureenga :-)))
  
  Baa Baa Black Sheep, Have you any mani ?
  Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full :-))))
  
  Thanks for all the info!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj05.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 09:08:44 EDT 1998
  
  Manisekaran:
  As always, that was an informational and thought-provoking write-up.
  
  thamizharasuk kazhagam seems to have been an interesting concept. Its slow and painful death seems like the Darwinian selection natural to any organic entities like life forms, social structures etc., with the stronger form of the species surviving (DMK).
  
  I was not aware that Karunanidhi had penned so many songs--I was guessing poomAlai and poompuhAr. Thank you for taking the time to give the names of the songs & movies; I have to start a Karunanidhi collection of songs now.
  
  Re Ka.Mu.Sheriff and also PattukkOttaiyaar, I'll take up your suggestion and get their kavidhaith thoguppugaL, to gain an in-depth appreciation of their thoughts.
  What fascinates me is the fact that our society is still facing the same issues as when these poets lived, in subtly different forms and multiplied to the nth degree; therefore, all these songs are still meaningful and more relevant today.
  
  Several pieces of background information you have provided have underlined how the socio-political environment shaped and fed into the Azhndha karuththukkaL, theevira uNarchchigaL in the TFM of the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. Can't help wondering what happened in the eras after that, where there was an obvious decline in songs with social messages, as a % of total output.
  The old issues are very much around and additional new issues, but has the role of cinema changed in the context of society, or is it just that there are not many to champion causes and channel them thru TF/TFM with a few exceptions here and there?
  
  Apologize for these random musings brought about by all the postings in this thread to date. Back to topic, are we moving into the kaNNadhAsan-vAli era now?
  
  
• From: Amar (@ worf.qntm.com) on: Thu Apr 23 10:26:33 EDT 1998
  
  Keerthi:
  Ungal sonthakkathai about "Bones" was fun. Ippadippatta( :-) ) makkalukkaaga innoru paattu irukkey, antha "aayuthathai" unga amma prayogithu "bones"ai "veezhthiyirukkalaamey"!!1 Antha varigal from the paadal "Manappaarai Maadu Katti",
  
  Seirtha Panathai Sikkanamaa Selavu Panna Pakkuvamaa, Amma Kaiyiley Koduthuppodu Chinna Bonesu, Sontha Amma Kaiyiley Koduthuppodu Chinna Bonesu; Avanga Aarai Nooru Aakkuvaanga Chellakkannu, Avanga Aarai Nooru Aakkuvaanga Chellakkannu!
  
  
  Anyway, Like Keerthi, some of the songs like "Chinnappayaley, Chinnappayaley Seithi Keilada", "Thoongaathey Thambi Thoongaathey", "Summa Kedantha Nilathai Kutti Sombalillaamal", etc., have had a profound impact on me in my childhood days that I can not explain in words.
  
  Enakku Therintha Matra sila "Samuthaaya Karuthukkalaichoriyum" paadalgalin muzhuvadivamum theriyaathathaal, avatrai orumurai keittu piragu ezhuthugirein.
  
  Matroru paadal, chinnavayathil keittathu, innum yenn manathil ethirolithukkondiruppathu:
  
  Ninaippathellaam Nadanthuvittaal Deivam Yethumillai;
  Nadanthathaiyey Ninaithirunthaal Amaithi Yenrumillai;
  
  
  Matroru Karuthukkalanjiya Paadal, from Vaathiyaar:
  MD: MSV - Lyrics: Vaali - Movie: Panam Padaithavan
  
  Kannpona Poakkiley Kaal Pogalamaa?
  Kaalpona Poakkiley Manam Pogalamaa?
  Manampona Poakkiley Manithan Pogalamaa?
  Manithan Pona Paathaiyai Maranthu Pogalamaa?
  
  Poyyaana Silapeirkku Puthu Naagareegham;
  Puriyaatha Palapeirkku Ithu Naagareegham;
  Muraiyaaga Vaazhvoarkku Yethu Naagareegham?
  Munnorgal Sonnaarey Athu Naagareegham; Munnorgal Sonnaarey Athu Naagareegham!
  
  Thirunthaatha Ullangal Irunthenna Laabham?
  Varunthaatha Ithayangal Piranthenna Laabham?
  Irhuthaalum Marainthaalum Peir Sollavendum;
  Ivarpola Yaarenru Oor Sollavendum; Ivarpola Yaarenru Oor Sollavendum!
  
  
  Atheypol Matroru Paadal from Vaathiyaar:
  MD: Vaali, Music: KVM, Movie: Vettaikkaaran
  
  Unnaiyarinthaal Nee Unnaiyarinthaal, Ulagathil Poaraadalaam;
  Uyarnthaalum, Thaazhnthaalum, Thalai Vanangaamal Nee Vaazhalaam;
  
  Maanam Perithenru Vaazhum Manithargalai Maan Yenru Solvathillaiyaa?
  Thannai Thaanum Arinthukkondu Oorukkum Solbavargal Thalaivargal Aavathillaiyaa?
  
  Maaberum Sabaithanil Nee Nadanthaal Unakku Maalaigal Vizhavendum;
  Oru Maatru Kuraiyaatha Mannavan Ivanyena Poatri Pugazhavendum!
  
  
  Innum Ethanaiyo - Thodarum!
  
  
  
  

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