Topic started by Note Man (@ 24.11.160.10) on Wed Mar 10 22:27:55 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
An article summarizing ARR's 'disastrous' foray into the classical orchestra conducting for the Birmingham Orchestra. The widespread criticism from the West, on his conducting
capabilities can be easily dismissed as racism or can even be considered normal scenario with critics. But on the flip side we might as well question ARR's capacity, when he is removed from his favorite synthesizers and computers. What do the DFers think? Has ARR failed his first test in acoustic orchestrization and conducting? He did not even have to compose anything new.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/552514.cms
BTW what was the orchestra trying to achieve by orchestrizing something which has already been done? Couldn't they have asked ARR to come up a fresh composition? Would that have made any difference in ARR's performance?
Responses:
- From: Nattamai (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sat Mar 13 01:50:11 EST 2004
He even struggles with his keyboards now, better leave the opinon of his live orchestra performance.
- From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.122)
on: Sat Mar 13 04:03:09 EST 2004
dei naate aamai,dream on buddy!!
- From: STONE COLD (@ 210.186.79.135)
on: Sat Mar 13 05:34:06 EST 2004
What makes Rahman the best?
A R Rahman plucks the strings of a harp following a rehearsal at the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra.
Rahman's popularity and credibility as a music composer par excellence remains undisputed. He proved that at the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra (CBSO), United Kingdom.
Rahman conducted the orchestra, which featured his compositions for films like Bombay, Lagaan, Dil Se.., Meenaxi, Warriors of Heaven and Earth (the Chinese film) as well as the Broadway musical Bombay Dreams.
The music whiz has sold over 40 million recordings worldwide. Need we say more?
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/mar/09look.htm
- From: musiclover (@ 81.128.202.151)
on: Sat Mar 13 06:45:25 EST 2004
I have always loved AR's music. But of late I think AR has taken too much on board.He is genuis but his flaws become apparent if he tries to do too much in such a short time. He should take a break and concentrate on just a few projects at a time.
- From: Nattamai (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sat Mar 13 08:16:01 EST 2004
musiclover:
He has never been doing many projects in a year and certainly not doing in hurry except Baba. You want him to compose 2 songs per year and release the album after 2 1/2 years? I think he should go back to jingles. yes, his airtel ad sounds better than his albums. His recent albums suck!
- From: thiru (@ 210.214.128.252)
on: Sat Mar 13 09:18:46 EST 2004
And your recent posts suck, its better you go to a mental asylum and we will release you after 2 1/2 years.
- From: piratheepan (@ 68.89.41.197)
on: Sat Mar 13 15:57:58 EST 2004
the mess up arr had at the symphony dealli was when he did the conduction for one song (and seeing how arr isnt a conductor) who cares abt the slip up.
i think we should limit nattamais post to 2 a century that way he doesnt waste valuable space.
- From: STONE COLD (@ 210.186.78.234)
on: Sat Mar 13 20:03:14 EST 2004
and wat about IR??
12 years of flop!!!!!!
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 24.187.182.235)
on: Sat Mar 13 20:10:56 EST 2004
Naatamai,
The times of india article clearly shows the humbleness and maturity of ARR.
I love IR, but his inablitiy to accept criticism in case of Symphony is evident.
I would not underestimate ARR abilities. One has this attitude and eagerness to learn and work hard, then he is destined to be a success.
- From: Nattamai (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 01:24:05 EST 2004
Anbe sivam:
I do not think so. He cannot do anything spectacular using live orchestra unless he gets some talented people working for him. If he relies on his own talents alone, he will be a disaster.
- From: akk (@ 132.170.6.228)
on: Sun Mar 14 02:55:11 EST 2004
mr. Nattu aamai ....
Being a fan of IR u hav learnt two things from him ----> FAILURE & DISASTER ...the two words associated with IR's passst 12 yrrs...poor guy..i think he even calls his day as disaster and his nite as failure...thereby completin his 24 hr cycle listenin to IR's borin songs....hehe
- From: thiru (@ 210.214.131.235)
on: Sun Mar 14 03:29:11 EST 2004
Nattamai,
I don't think so, doctors can't do anything spectacular using electric pulses, unless some talented nurses work for him. if you rely on the same conviction, you will be a disaster.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:24:07 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan punnndd
a mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:24:50 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:25:15 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:30:01 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:31:25 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:31:40 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Sun Mar 14 10:34:25 EST 2004
paran, dinesh, curses, thiru and all the other appan pun*da mavenges who think ARR is licking their dik/pussy,
Go and suk your father's dik and then come back & talk about music.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Mon Mar 15 09:30:33 EST 2004
thiru, paran, dinesh, curses, maddy,
poi ungappa kottaiyaiyum ARR kunjiyaiyum nakki.
And then after that you can take it and shove it into your back side hole.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Mon Mar 15 09:34:15 EST 2004
thiru, paran, dinesh, curses, maddy,
poi ungappa kottaiyaiyum ARR kunjiyaiyum nakki.
And then after that you can take it and shove it into your back side hole.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Mon Mar 15 09:34:24 EST 2004
thiru, paran, dinesh, curses, maddy,
poi ungappa kottaiyaiyum ARR kunjiyaiyum nakki.
And then after that you can take it and shove it into your back side hole.
- From: anti (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Mon Mar 15 09:34:36 EST 2004
thiru, paran, dinesh, curses, maddy,
poi ungappa kottaiyaiyum ARR kunjiyaiyum nakki.
And then after that you can take it and shove it into your back side hole.
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Mon Mar 15 15:45:19 EST 2004
Naatamai,
That's what people told about IR when he entered music field. He learned and proved that he can earn respect from even purists.
When IR can learn and apply, why should we think that ARR can't do the same. Only time can tell.
- From: Nattamai (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Tue Mar 16 00:52:39 EST 2004
Anbe sivam:
I strongly believe he will not be successful in composing for big orchestras. He had whole 8 years (92-00) to try things out in films. But he didn't do that. His film music career is at stake now. He even criticised (indirectly IR) using big orchestra for movies. He did BSO program just because he got the opportunity. And I don't think he has the talent right now. if he gets some good assistance from talented outcomers, he may shine for a while. It all depends on with whom he is working together rather than his talents.
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.124.225.116)
on: Tue Mar 16 01:18:36 EST 2004
Stone cold ,
Not to compare with IR ..Ir did not release becuase he was cheated in Audio rights ...This news has appeared in two interviews ,both appeared in illayraaja yahoo groups ....Apparently even Karthik Raaja said the same ....Also the conductor of the RPO had congrulate Joh Scott a lot ...Please refer to John Scott's web page for that ..!!!!!
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.124.225.116)
on: Tue Mar 16 01:19:12 EST 2004
sorry corretcion ..The conductor ,John Scott had congrulated IR for his symphony ..
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.124.225.116)
on: Tue Mar 16 01:20:48 EST 2004
Also ,i feel ARR failed becaus eit might eb difficult to convert cine songs to a symphonic composition ...
- From: prasanna (@ 203.101.32.64)
on: Tue Mar 16 01:55:30 EST 2004
oh my god....why doesnt anyone understand why the critics werent satisfied with the rahman concert. It was because of his 'wooden' CONDUCTING!
Cnducting is an art by itself..even Yanni, Vangelis and many other top composers do not conduct their pieces.
the reviewer had appreciated the sweetness in ARR's music, but said, since, they were adaptations of film works, they did not have a proper ending as it just faded out like film song towards the end.
Thats about it...it was the conducting that was criticised heavily.....sucha fine orchestra, beng subjected to bad conducting, is not a pleasant event. ARR's compositions werent criticised.
Thanx!
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.163)
on: Tue Mar 16 02:05:56 EST 2004
prasanna....
it doesn't matter that the media says...for this ppl..as long as ARR involved..they will claim it's ARR's fault...
even if ARR went to a concert to be performed by someone else...and the media critizes the performer (not ARR who were merely watching it)...
these gunda's will claim...and open a thread "IR is a better performance watcher than ARR"...
what to do..it's easy for us to acceptthat IR is really good, but it's super damn hard for them to even accept that ARR is good!...dunno wats the complexity in it...
- From: thiru (@ 210.214.132.75)
on: Tue Mar 16 02:18:31 EST 2004
simple ARR is more popular, they are not able to digest it and these guys think by screaming bad things about ARR they will bring down his market.
Thats not going to happen. Poor guys they dont understand that.
- From: curses (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Tue Mar 16 02:29:22 EST 2004
thiru,
firstly are you able to digest your father's ball*s?
- From: x (@ 156.153.254.41)
on: Tue Mar 16 02:57:30 EST 2004
>From: musiclover (@ 81.128.202.151) on: Sat Mar >13 06:45:25 EST 2004
>I have always loved AR's music. But of late I >think AR has taken too much on board.He is >genuis but his flaws become apparent if he tries >to do too much in such a short time. He should >take a break and concentrate on just a few >projects at a time
what do u mean ARR should take 10 years to do a single move, and a yr for a song? arr already takes a year to complete a move what more man?
With IR, people finish the complete movie and then composes the music .
How is it!....
- From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Mar 16 06:43:29 EST 2004
I think it is better for the admin to close this thread as well.
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