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Two or Three more Harris Jayaraj can throw ARR out of field.

Topic started by Anbu (@ 12.92.216.95) on Thu Apr 5 14:59:58 EDT 2001.
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Before Deva there was a morality in TFM, not use other MDs style of music. When Deva broke that barrier and started doing "doop" role for IR, MDs like Sirpi and numerous MDs who came at that time started imitating IR, people got bored with IR's music style.

ARR's uniqueness is Sound Quality, Similarly when MDs like HJ started imitating ARR's style and sound, it will make people to become sick of his music.

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• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Apr 6 10:03:34 EDT 2001
  
  "Hatred is caused by jealousy."
  
  Well..You see only one side of the coin..How about a mediocre player being offered a National Championship Trophy..How do you react if an ordinary student in the class given an "University Gold medal"? This can happen only with the so called "esteemed" teacher's prop up...This is the way how I see it..Perhaps, I won't be surprised if this be put under "Jealuosy" in your holy dictionary.. Bear in mind that there are even more "IR & family" haters in this forum..I hope this rule still be valid for them.
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Fri Apr 6 10:25:36 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  How about a mediocre player being offered a National Championship Trophy
  
  Nowadays it also depends on how well you move with people alongwith how well you play. Nobody got IR the oppurtunity to compose symphony for RPO. He tried himself. There was no Shekar Kapur to recommend him there. And there is no Shekar Kapur for him still :-( This is the time for Deva genre. Be nice to everyone, though you are not that good people will take you with them to heights.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Apr 6 10:29:15 EDT 2001
  
  Analog, Well said....The same I mentioned as "This can happen only with the so called "esteemed" teacher's prop up..." in my previous posting..
  
  
• From: Desmond Alfred (@ 161.142.2.10) on: Fri Apr 6 11:56:27 EDT 2001
  
  I write to from KL, Malaysia. I think its about time for some competition in the Indian music industry. It has always been a case where one person dominates this area for a long time. HJ's work in Minnale simply shows that he has what it takes to compete with some of the top music directors today. Through God's grace, I hope that he will keep up your good work. Malaysia is eagerly waiting for his next release.
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Fri Apr 6 12:39:06 EDT 2001
  
  It took one ARR to throw out Raja. It makes good reading that 3 HJ + 3 Raja's are required to try throwing our Rahman.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Fri Apr 6 13:42:46 EDT 2001
  
  unmaivalambi
  you guys are telling that Raja is out for quite some years. I just wish that everyone is happy. Don't ever accept that Raja still rules... so that you will be happy for ever.
  
  But at times, I get some good stuff to laugh loud :-))
  
  
• From: Madhav (@ 62.7.41.178) on: Fri Apr 6 13:48:11 EDT 2001
  
  How can you all wave HJ's flag as an accomplished md? He has done one movie and that too a movie that had somngs that were predominantly lifted from ARR's earlier works with a bit of recycling here and there. IR cannot be compared with ARR, as IR is on a completely different plane. HJ did an acceptable job in Minnale, but nothing greater than the music produced by other talented upcoming artists such as YSR and KR who have proved their talents in numerous albums. It is unfair for HJ to be placed on a pedestal for producing one album. No other md's have been given acclaim easily, not even ARR after Roja was given immediate fame. Even he had to prove himself by producing a few albums.so lets stop this nonsense of HJ being the next best thing since sliced bread and let us see how he develops as an MD.
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Fri Apr 6 13:48:28 EDT 2001
  
  Don't forget the history so quickly! It took one IR to throw out MSV.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Apr 6 13:59:46 EDT 2001
  
  Analog:
  Don't give this RPH example.
  What IR did is still unknown to all of us. Public had not tasted it.
  Quoting examples of something which is almost non - existant is something quite ridiculous.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Apr 6 14:05:18 EDT 2001
  
  Madhav..you have a good point there
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Fri Apr 6 14:10:36 EDT 2001
  
  What IR did is still unknown to all of us.
  
  If you don't know about RPO, please go to their website or atleast browse through classical CD section of your nearby american CD store. I don't think they do other than conducting, composing WCM. So Ilaiyaraaja must have done something along WCM line. Sounds logical?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Apr 6 14:10:49 EDT 2001
  
  I dont think people 'hate' ARR. Hatred is too strong a term. Probably 'envy' is the right term. After all, he is the highest paid MD ever (I think). He makes quite a hell a lot of money. No wonder all eyes are on him. And people who are into music are bound to wonder how much of this is pure music and how much of this is technology/gimmicks !!!. I do know that ARR is very talented while contrasting his work with that of his shoddy imitators. But me thinks technology played quite a significant role in his success. That is why all of us have to be really on top of the latest trends in our field/profession however good we are in our jobs (like programming).
  
  BTW, I am totally annoyed by people saying that the Symphony is non-existent. It has been conducted and recorded. It is just not released.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Fri Apr 6 14:15:52 EDT 2001
  
  I think you all should need to listen to this wonderful Interview by Gangai Amaran
  Where he explains the current music trend and changes that is expected very very honest one and straight forward one
  http://www.musicurry.com/tamil/cook0056_anna.html
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Apr 6 14:28:27 EDT 2001
  
  
  "He makes quite a hell a lot of money. No wonder all eyes are on him"
  
  kiru...
  what is this to do with us...if kamal fans hate rajini is that because rajini recieves a huge sum. that doesn't sound too logical..a competion between professionals on this basis is quite understandable..a thinking of common man does not stretch to that extent rather evaluvates the worthiness for which so much been paid....
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Fri Apr 6 14:31:30 EDT 2001
  
  Gangai Amaran seems to be very annoyed with the latest trends of music.
  
  Really funny. Isn't he the one gaga over the latest trend in TFM sometime back?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Apr 6 14:57:31 EDT 2001
  
  kiru,
  
  "I do know that ARR is very talented while contrasting his work with that of his shoddy imitators."
  
  That is very generous of you.Thanks for heaping such high accolades on ARR.
  
  "It has been conducted and recorded. It is just not released."
  
  I'm counting millions of chickens before they are hatched.
  
  
• From: Anbu (@ 12.92.217.166) on: Fri Apr 6 15:02:17 EDT 2001
  
  Unmai Vilambi,
  
  Since HJ also imitating ARR in doing minimum no.of films at a time. That's why I meant two or three HJ needed.
  
  Neenga indha maadhiri solluveengannu edhir paarthen.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Apr 6 15:11:02 EDT 2001
  
  "Since HJ also imitating ARR in doing minimum no.of films at a time. That's why I meant two or three HJ needed."
  
  But IR works at a faster pace.So,I don't get this point.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Apr 6 20:53:08 EDT 2001
  
  Trend,
  ARR does not need a certificate from a music novice like me !! He has got enough recognition and commerical success. Personally, my job requires that I not only understand technology but also people. It is this habit which makes me comment on the MDs. Re: Symphony. I dont want to get into an argument with you. I have been in these forums too long to be bored with that. But in case, you care to understand my motives - I want to contribute to efforts like raajangahm.com mainly for the reason I think IR deserves much more recognition than the commercial success he has enjoyed so far. As a fan I also want to somehow communicate to him there are fans who are waiting to hear much more classical and intellectual compositions from him. As somebody who is into software I understand the intellectual property value of music and IR has created so much. Otherwise IR would be as disappointed as H G Khorana (Genetic research scientist) was, who in disgust took up American citizenship.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.142.90.40) on: Fri Apr 6 23:29:26 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo: You are correct. The same rule holds good for them also. Wherever these type of discussions going on, there I tell people not to fight.
  
  Don't under estimate anybody. Nobody was given the medol just for the sake. Achievers took it. Try to accept the fact that everything has time limitation.
  
  Love IR's music (not IR and family)
  Love ARR's music (not ARR)
  Love any music, if you feel good. Don't even mind something you don't like. But you people are very much interested to eloberated and talk u'r dislikes. Please. try to understand.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Sat Apr 7 13:52:51 EDT 2001
  
  Raghavan, I appreciate your Good will..But you see, we, being born as human beings, subject to live with certain tastes and likings...If we like everything, then that converges to some simple, straight-forward conclusions. Either we perjure ourselves or insane or a supernatural one. It is hard to understand human mental perception about things..Sometimes we are in a position to justify and on many occasions we be not able to come with any proper elucidations..I wish this to be an open forum, where we converse about some public personalities who sell their bits and pieces and from our pint-sized money..Thus I beleive, on the first place, we gain the eligibility to make comments on what they deliver...Anyway thanks for your Good will..I hear you and at the same time let me be an ordinary one in a human bunch..
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ ) on: Thu Apr 19 11:38:44 EDT 2001
  
  hi,
  
  like in cricket, where the second year is more tougher than the first , because u dunno what u have to prove about yourself after making a good first impression.
  
  the same goes with music, harris J has got our attention, okay! we r listening! whats he goin to throw up next that can impress us,
  
  remember we now have high expectations out of him bcoz of his first album, compunded with the fact that ARR has raised the bar so high, that even good songs from IR it doesnt get raved abt bcoz the films actually turn out to be ordinary.
  
  so Harris J has to not only give good music but he has to be lucky enugh to see that going into a good movie.
  
  remember ARR's first 5 movies had 2 manirathnam 1 shankar and a bharathiraja in them. i dont think ARR wud be discussed if he were discovered by some one like P.Vasu instead of mani and KB
  
  serves IR well for not seeing the Big picture and fighting with movie directors who matter most!
  
  talent alone is never enough in this competition of equals
  
  the significance of luck as a factor is suddenly been underestimated....
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
  

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