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Does ARR give music in its original form?

Topic started by Uthams (@ 64.154.150.4) on Fri Mar 9 02:04:17 EST 2001.
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I doubt very much!! His music is not continuous. Fully digitized.. taking only samples of music. It is not flowing. Something is missing. Even though it appeals a lot after Rahman doing lot of tweaking with the voice and music after composing, it misses something. I still believe he is way behind IR interms of presenting music in its original form. Hope lots of guys will jump heaven and earth after reading this. But that is the harsh reality. I don't feel like listening to Roja songs anymore. But i still feel like listening to Vizhiyil vizhundu song from Alaigal oivadhillai. I still love his Malayil yaro manadodu. ARR music is more like a music for advertisements. It never blends with story or movie.

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• From: KRK (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue Mar 27 02:15:21 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,
  Well said!
  
  KRK
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue Mar 27 03:33:10 EST 2001
  
  Wow...kupps I had nEthu rAthiri example in mind when i
  read our "smart" friend's comments and i see ur
  posting !!! kattipudi for "human bondage" was brilliant !!!!
  
  CF,
  >>Is that OK IR fanatic.<<
  See how fast do u come to conclusions !
  
  I have bashed Raja, KR & YSR as well.
  
  Look who's being fanatic here ?? When i'm talking
  abt arr (not him, just a song composed (??) by him), why do u have to get raja and deva here.
  
  U were the person who said that sweeping stmt- arr fans are generous and all that, weren't u ???
  
  Also, I wud never want any school to sing Raja songs...Whoever the composer is, a cine song played in school, to me, is unacceptable. Be it
  Raja's deva's or veda's....
  
  >>I cannot reveal my school and office.<<
  
  ayyayyo!!! vEndavE vEndAm...cinema pAttu pOttu
  thodangara school paththi therinjukkAma irukkaradhu enakku nalladhu.
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Tue Mar 27 10:17:09 EST 2001
  
  Kupps & :-) :
  
  "Thai Manne vanakkam"/"Maa thuje salam" is not cine song. Come on .. did you check the facts. It was a private album released by sony , produced by Barath bala & Kanika , music by ARR. It was released in the year of 1997 to commemorate with 50th year of independence. There is no obscene word on phares in this song. Its about the country and Bharat Maa. I think you have not heard the song or you have not understud tamil.
  
  
  Yes, "veLLi pani malaiyin medhulavuvom " was also sung by 1 - 5 std students in probably I-day, R-day and important days as far as I have seen in that school. Not only that many Bharathi's songs which have become film songs are also sung. What's wrong in that.
  
  People like you can only imagine a school with songs like "Kattipudi^2 da" & "nethu raththiri" etc. I never said that. Again, you resolved to unnecessary examples to stress your point. Don't write so cheaply.
  
  Mothalla cinema pattu na enna, private album na enna, nAttu pAttu na ennanu therinchikiitu pesunga.
  
  varta
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Tue Mar 27 10:34:59 EST 2001
  
  CF, i know that u or somebody else will point this out to me.
  
  so if it is not TFM stuff why it is being discussed here?
  
  it is discussed here because it is from ARR a successful MD of TFM. Just like discussions done on HowToNameIt(HTNI) and NothingButWind(NBW). So i took the liberty of calling it as cine product.
  
  In my school itself, as you have observed, people play veLLi pani malayin meedhulavuvom from cassettes during some Important days but definitely not as "a part of prayers (Monday only) in schools" because, even though it is a patriotic song, it is still associated with cinema and schools did not include that song in prayers. What happened in your school is TOO MUCH, in my humble opinion. This is what has prompted me to write like that. i staunchly consider the entire ALBUM is not that much pure patriotic as the song veLLi panimalayil or its peer vandhae matharam yenbom yengaL maanila thayai vangudhumenbom.
  
  Also, i did not say naethu rathiri yemma as a patriotic song. i know u too did not say that. i gave to point out that this will facilitate people to claim naethu rathiri yemma as GLORIFYING MOTHER and kattipudi kattipudi as HUMAN BONDANGE song. Could you imagine such worse thing to happen??? won't you feel ashamed if such songs figure in the schools(may not the same songs but less vigour but still unfit numbers??). that is why i said EVEN veLLi panimalai was not considered full stress on EVEN.
  
  otherwise, i did not show any anti-ARR feelings in that posting. That was not my intension at all.
  
  kandippa vanga Common Friend
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Tue Mar 27 10:39:06 EST 2001
  
  Not only that many Bharathi's songs
  
  CF neenga sollura "Bharathi" IR messik panniya latest padam thaanae :-)
  
  (sindu mudiyal begins here)
  
  
• From: antony (@ 202.88.152.8) on: Tue Mar 27 10:47:16 EST 2001
  
  UTHAMS,
  
  "HIS MUSIC IS NOT CONTINOUS"
  
  very interesting because i also felt the same infact i can proove that IR,s music is the only one having absolute continuity.having said this i must explain what is meant by continuity,but before that can you explain your statment so that
  we can have a chat.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 27 11:06:22 EST 2001
  
  :-),
  I have bashed Raja, KR & YSR as well.
  These are the qualifications you require to bash ARR acc to CF :-))
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue Mar 27 11:41:15 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  >> I think you have not heard the song or you have not understud tamil. <<
  
  u keep proving u come to conclusions too fast, don't u ?????
  
  i have listened to the song a few times.
  
  Friend, Barathi wrote it for the country and
  was LATER used in movies (he didn't ask sony
  to release it on I-day and he didn't get a huge
  amt for that )...
  
  What arr did was just grabbing the right oppurtunity to sell an album in the name of
  patriotism !!!
  
  I don't want to argue how the album was...all i
  want to say is, it doesn't deserve to be called
  a patriotic song...
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue Mar 27 11:44:20 EST 2001
  
  >>Mothalla cinema pattu na enna, private album na enna, nAttu pAttu na ennanu therinchikiitu pesunga. <<
  
  Look who's talking....thAi maNNE vaNakkam nAttu
  pAttu nA, apram, "ayyayyO alamElu...Avin pasum pAlu" should be included in 8'th std tamil book
  in the seyyuL paguthi
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 27 11:46:18 EST 2001
  
  :-),
  Friend, Barathi wrote it for the country and
  was LATER used in movies (he didn't ask sony
  to release it on I-day and he didn't get a huge
  amt for that )...
  
  What arr did was just grabbing the right oppurtunity to sell an album in the name of
  patriotism !!!
  :-)))
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 27 11:47:57 EST 2001
  
  CF == HCARRF, athanaal thaan he jumps to conclusions like that so fast.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Tue Mar 27 11:53:53 EST 2001
  
  Kupps:
  You got it wrong. During prayer hours, it is not only prayers. One bay they play NCC band and on other day, its for each class in a week to present some thing like story or poem etc. On Monday, its just that we hoist national flag and now when after a long time when I went there I found from the people there that VM ("TMV") song is also sung.
  Don't come to a conclusion just by a single sentence or two. I am not writing a story to explain each and every bit of it.
  
  as "a part of prayers (Monday only) in schools"
  
  Since it is played in prayer hours I said it in that way.
  
  
  . i staunchly consider the entire ALBUM is not that much pure patriotic as the song veLLi panimalayil or its peer vandhae matharam yenbom yengaL maanila thayai vangudhumenbom.
  
  
  That is what I said earlier to some one. What you think is not what rest of the people here thinks. That is why I gave this as an example. Understood.
  
  I don't know what makes it a less patriotic song that other. Its a individuals perception. What more do you expect in a pariotic song. Is that because of ARR that You consider this not so patriotic ?
  
  Tell me are you in Chennai? Probably you might know about this if you are here.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Wed Mar 28 00:11:50 EST 2001
  
  well CF cool down boss,
  
  i posted my reply after getting what might be behind the sentence/phrase a part of prayers (Monday only) in schools especially the part of section. you need not have to explain that, but anyway thanks what i had thought about part of section matches with what you are saying.
  
  yes! im fan of IR that doesnt mean that ARR factor forces me to consider it as not patriotic. if no promos were done for the album; and/or some other person has sung the song; and/or if u give me without saying this as an album from ARR; and/or even if u give me saying this as a product of YSR/KR(why them, even IR) and make me to believe so and after that had i listened to this album then also i would have said the same. this i'm not saying for posting sake. agreed i tell lies but definitely not in this please believe me, because im very disturbed with this thing, my sadness transcends beyond it being IR/ARR favouritism.
  
  yes, i too agree single person's opinion need not match with others but CF not in this case. If i say IR is the best MD then it need not match with yours; if i say Indian Classical Music is the best then it need not match yours; If I say tamizh is the best language you might say no. But things like singing this album song in prayers, of course of course as part of it, is definitely a bad precedence.
  
  yes i live in madras. this is one of those bad things that schools of madras are doing right now.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.228) on: Wed Mar 28 04:45:44 EST 2001
  
  AIR, Cbe plays `karuppu thAn enakku pidichcha' more times than `niRpadhuvE', even though the later is penned by mahAkavi (& equally popular)...where are we heading?:-(
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Wed Mar 28 11:19:27 EST 2001
  
  Kupps:
  
  "a part of prayers (Monday only) in schools"
  
  
  Agreed that I should have explained this a bit. Since, it was done during prayer time (15 to 20 min), I said so.
  
  That perticular posting was an answer to a specific reference , where somebody had said that VM by ARR is no more popular or that it had not reached to as many people or some thing like that.
  I gave this example as I felt it genuine here. More over, talking about promos, what wrong in promoting a song.
  If you had seen bharathi film, even there Bharathi talkes about some Rs. 10000, for advertising (Vilambaraththirku) him poem.The sequence of the scene is I think happens on an evening with his friends on some rocky surface with water falls or pond nearby. Could not remember the scene exactly. This shows even Bharathi wanted to promote his works.
  
  No body in this world can say that What Vaira Muthu had written in TMV song is better than Bharathi. I am not saying that. But, if some body other than Bharathi writes a good song on the nation and people like it you cannot question that also. Again, when time is changing we have to change with time. I had many collage mates (Jains, muslims etc..why hindus also) who, leave alone Vandenatharam (original), didn't even know national anthem properly. Such is the pathetic case of India.
  
  At such a time if some one comes with some good stuff like VM album and that too to comommerate with 50 years of independence then you got to appriciate it. This album even toped in MTV (count down, select etc). The result is ARR made an attempt to atleast make the youngsters to say or sing VM knowingly or unknowingly.
  Yes, had it been any body other than ARR, it would not have been so popular. But, good things, if done by popular person, then it will reach lot of people. If you and me do something like this other than we both no body else will listen, what ever might be its worth.
  
  There were and are many popular personalities around. No body attemped such a stuff. What immpressed me is the initiative of ARR/sony to do some thing like that.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Mar 28 23:36:45 EST 2001
  
  CF, wait wait....i think what i said might be confusing...let me clarify some points.
  
  1) That perticular posting was an answer to a specific reference , where somebody had said that VM by ARR is no more popular or that it had not reached to as many people or some thing like that
  
  I totally agree with you that Vandhae Mataram Album is a HIT. You, disagreeing with the refutation is totally correct. You quoting the school event to show its popularity is also correct. I'm not questioning that at all. And, as you rightly pointed, at present, had this album been released by someone else it would not have become a blockbuster(IMHO also). My cribbing is directed on the Schools using the album. not on you quoting it; not on ARR who released such album.
  
  IMO, ARR used the moment of 50th anniversary conceived the idea for his album, that is all. It is a GOOD album, better than his others. Better in the sense that it has the patriotic flavour which other albums dont have. Here I appreciate the idea of ARR to give a album that has patriotic-tone, great. Had it been another MD they would have given stuffs like vivila vera loka. I'm not questioning the album; i'm not saying it is profane. It is just another album from ARR which is musically good and catchy; above that it has the patriotic-tone. But my friend, this does not make it to qualify to be treated at par with (or) in the lines of National Anthem or Another National-Song(Saarae jahan sae achha) and that too in Schools(here, i know that you did not say that it is treated at par with National anthem but i presume from the way the schools have used it, again here im neither questioning your quote nor finding any fault with ARR and his work). I'm sad about schools using it officially. But in my opinion it is a private album, good album, good music, catchy, one that reached the masses and having patriotic-tone in it. That is all.
  
  2) More over, talking about promos, what wrong in promoting a song
  
  aiyyago...CF, i was not saying promos were wrong. if i had a bad opinion about that then i would have used the word HYPE. My intension was even if you gave the album and i were unaware of the artist who composed then also i would have said that. This was to show that i'm saying this without any bias against ARR. I agree that i should have cut short that lengthy line which lead to confusion...i apologize for that.
  
  
  

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