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Do we really need them?!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.120.186) on Fri Jan 10 00:56:24 EST 2003.
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Do we really need them? Gaanas!!! They lack in musical content, lyrical content and everything else that it takes to make a song. Even the video for gaanas is so cheap and 3rd rate.

** coca cola brown color daa, enga akka ponnum adhe color daa
coffee- ila bun-a amukku daa, andha combination romba dhool daa
podango, podango, podango, podango **

Indha maari paatu laam thevaya? :-(

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• From: Youth (@ 203.106.70.230) on: Thu Jan 16 08:24:57 EST 2003
  
  >>>>Youth - atleast they were able to "sing them".... not like today's lyrics :-).....
  
  Children can't sing today's songs?
  Sorry, I lost you there?
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 139.76.65.132) on: Thu Jan 16 08:47:30 EST 2003
  
  JPM - "paramolam" that was the another thing i had in mind, but could'nt recollect the name.... tks....
  
  Youth - never mind..... what i meant was, the lyrics were either totally suppressed by music or were sung to an extent, that it was getting hard to follow what they were singing and are all mostly written in "Tanglish" language.....
  
  
• From: tester (@ 146.186.113.179) on: Thu Jan 16 09:40:06 EST 2003
  
  test
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.122) on: Thu Jan 16 10:58:23 EST 2003
  
  Hey Guys it feels really nice, that there are level headed guys out there who understood what i really meant. I am no fan of Gana songs, but as most of the people have said, Gana songs are a like era songs. If you notice who like Gana songs a lot - mostly Youths and teenagers, and Why do they like these songs, because there is a sense of rebel [ against social norms], enjoyment, recklesness, freakness, and whatever u can say. Gana songs have always been there and will always be there. As all other stuff that u do in your youth, u will forget gana songs also and will look back and say " God did I like those songs, what was wrong with me " but still would acknowledge that it was the best part of your life, wherein you were free, independent and didn't care a heck what the world said.
  
  Kiru don't worry these songs won't affect our cultural heritage, what we really need to worry is the influence of so called English songs which celebrate " Psychos, Drug addicts, Gun toting Mad people ".
  
  Ganas are just timepass, enjoy them and go ahead.
  
  And Shwetha, I can never expect women or girls to enjoy Gana, it is just not their cup of tea.
  
  Srinath, sorry that u couldnot enjoy Gana. But still I cannot understand why you couldn't list out two to three songs, is it that difficult to type or you don't remember anymore. Yepo Paru Go look at the archives, Engleke Ena vellai elai nanikiriya. You are proving a point here right, so you should furnish evidence, Some people just don't understand :p
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Thu Jan 16 11:16:38 EST 2003
  
  dis discussion proves dat tfm lyricists stink just as much as tfm singers. LOL!
  
  
• From: Youth (@ 203.106.140.190) on: Thu Jan 16 12:18:15 EST 2003
  
  >>>>lyrics were either totally suppressed by music or were sung to an extent, that it was getting hard to follow what they were singing
  
  Sabesan, either you must have a rotten sound system or you must be at least be 80 years old. Tell me which is which. :)
  
  Sam, shut up.
  Don't be like a fish which opened its mouth and proved its ignorance.
  Tamils have given up on Hindi songs a long time ago. No chance of them returning to it once again. You may wish to try the Pakistani forum. :)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Jan 16 12:34:07 EST 2003
  
  Youth,
  >>>> Sabesan, either you must have a rotten sound system or you must be at least be 80 years old. Tell me which is which. :) <<<<
  
  The above shud be
  "Sabesan, either you must have a rotten sound system or you must be at least be 80 years old or you dont know English. Tell me which is which. :)"
  
  :-))
  
  I am with Sabesan in this matter..more than 50% of the songs churned out today hav to be heard more than 4 times to understand what they are trying to sing..70's 80's songs may be vulgar..but u can understand the lyrics in the first time hearing..Is the situation same now?Lyrical degradation - blame goes to lyricists
  good lyrics but still not able to understand - blame goes to MD and singer
  good lyrics good tune - still not understandable..blame goes obv to singer
  good lyrics good tune good singing - ippavum purialana then u can say bad system or above 80..:-)
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Jan 16 13:25:05 EST 2003
  
  "Engleke Ena vellai elai nanikiriya" - Sivam, this sort of singular usage is not really a decent way of addressing another poster. If you want to really carry on a serious discussion you should give respect and expect to be respected. I thought you were good in this aspect..but you are failing me..I have stopped participating in many threads mainly because of this. Note, this is not the only bulleting boards I frequent, everywhere this sort of thing is considered basic.
  
  I do agree with you on those kind of english songs. And IMHO, gaana is getting there with lewd lyrics, references to ganja etc.
  
  Sabesan, when it comes to music, like any other serious intellectual pursuit, you also have to do your homework. Music is not frivolous exercise. It is a tough physical-mental coordination activity. Reflect on what Srinath said, "Nature loves symmetry" - now look at the ArOhanam - sa ri ga ma pa dha ni - the avarOhanam is totally in the reverse. There is lot of mathematical structure/beauty behind in a composition. I will elaborate further if I find the environment right here or I will have to make myself scarce !!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Jan 16 13:26:39 EST 2003
  
  BTW, when I said, you have to do your homework..I meant you also have to put in effort to see why gaana is musically inferior. I am not saying it is not music,mind you.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Thu Jan 16 13:38:06 EST 2003
  
  Lovely explanation, Kiru. Couldn't have put it any better myself :-)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 139.76.128.68) on: Thu Jan 16 13:53:50 EST 2003
  
  ok i am clean bowled.... i have no clue about Arohanam or any thing else..... i know the basic 7.... that's the max knowledge i have :-).....
  
  so shall i put the question as - "how serious do u consider MUSIC as" ??? for a a guy like me, if something can take my mind out of something that bothers me, something that will take me out of my problems, then i tend to like it.... for example, if i hear the song "SODA bottelaaa oodaikatummaaa.... busellaaaam kozhuthatumaaa", it bring's a kind of joy (aioooo sathiaaamaa, not the "lyrical" content, but the music as such) - its just for a small moment..... i know its not a GREAT one..... and for sure its not going to be remembered after sometime..... kind of like "FAST Foods"......
  
  and to an extent i believe that we cannot term something in MUSIC as SUPERIOR or INFERIOR..... and that is the only objection i have.....
  
  and can someone tell me, there is this song something like 'Oorakaadaii mulaaiellaaa.... onnu onnanga, rendu rendangaaa' or something like that..... a real foot tapping one..... is this a GAANA or is it a FOLK ?
  
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 163.181.250.2) on: Thu Jan 16 14:23:58 EST 2003
  
  I guess you have all have a wrong impression of gaanas due to the cheap no.s that one sees in TFM these days. try this.
  http://www.ambedkar.org/News/Trpkgnbthsl.htm
  
  Gaana orignally was the urban folk. short on musical content and long on lyrical value, gaanas were a good form of musical expression for the dregs of the society. you don't listen to a gaana for its musical brilliance, but you listen to it to get touched by the themes it sought to convey. these themes, like any other folk, were mainly based on day-to-day experiences, mostly sad, but some to inspire majaa & rouse-u (for lack of a better word:) mind you, they are not poetic, but are terse enough to convey the emotion & be able to set to tune. I suspect words like "paavam vandha vayithukku pasikka solli thandhadhaaru" were taken from an original gaana.
  
  pretty soon, college kids picked it up, added lewd lyrics & it became immensely popular among the youth.
  later, the likes of Deva popularised it in tamil films and generally pandered to the baser instincts of the film-watching mass. still, some of the filmi versions are much cleaner lyrically than the college ones.
  
  other than a few songs, filmi gaanas & their picturisation in general came to be known for their vulgarity & stupid lyrics and buried the rather rich musical (ie. lyrical) traditions of the genre. I guess you guys are cribbing about this filmi avatar of gaana, which in its original form, is nothing to be ashamed of.
  
  and by-the-way, I'm not a propagandist for the above website or an active participant in any cast e-based affiliations. just came across the above site during my month-long fascination for the genre. I've had my lifetime's share of gaanas and moved on, returning to it only to get some of the above-mentioned majaa, or listen to it during long road-trips with some like-minded "local" guys to do some rouse-u :-)
  there is a time & place for every kind of music. & gaanas certainly do have their time & place, atleast in my life.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Jan 16 14:37:34 EST 2003
  
  Srinath,
  Pongal'la irundhu newtfmpage'la post panradha resolution'a?intha thread mattum thaana illa ella threadlayum post pannuvengala?Welcome Back....and please participate more if u hav time..appa thaan Sabesan sonna maadhiri "andhaaa oru silaaa nalaaa varudangaaal in newtfmpage" marupadi varum..:-)
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.122) on: Thu Jan 16 15:14:09 EST 2003
  
  Ok Kiru, Agreed I am sorry about that one. But it is just that the way, one particular member of the discussion was talking just angered me. Till Now that person has no answers, but is still hinged upon his ideas.
  
  Anyways I think I have got my message through and that is all what my intentions, not to get into a dispute with any of the members.
  
  If I have offended anyone, I am sorry about it guys.
  
  And s0 thanks for real meaning of Gana, that was nice to know. As someone said, todays Ganas are just like Masala films, enjoy the good ones, and forget the bad one. Let us not make a big deal of whether we need them or not.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Thu Jan 16 15:46:07 EST 2003
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/12716.28856.02.16.07.html
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/13576.27911.12:54:08.html
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/27634.14851.20.54.53.html
  
  ...there isn't much new to add and I can't keep repeating myself if you are too lazy to search the archives yourself.
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.122) on: Thu Jan 16 15:56:55 EST 2003
  
  Oh Man, Mr Srinath I can now see what kind of songs u like, and what kind of extreme arguments u have had. I have nothing more to say, I rest my case.
  
  Again, If I have offended u, I am sorry about it,
  I believe I have made my case, right Guys.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Thu Jan 16 15:59:50 EST 2003
  
  Hi peeps! DF is way too addictive! One single post and I keep coming back to check this page! Even though I wasn't posting much, I did try to check in once every now and then. I don't know what prompted me to post in this thread - perhaps I got a little excited seeing another old-timer (Udhaya Kulandaivelu) go at it full-throttle in the Udit Narayanan thread ;-)
  
  
  Those were the days my friend,
  We'd thought they'd never end,
  We'd sing and dance for-ever and a day,
  We'd live the life we choose,
  We'd fight and never lose,
  For we were young and sure to have our way.
  
  - Gene Raskin
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 139.76.128.68) on: Thu Jan 16 17:03:17 EST 2003
  
  Srinath - for a minute i thought that was "yet" another Gaana :-).....
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 16 19:36:52 EST 2003
  
  Sivam, good that Srinath gave the links.
  
  At least we now can recognise the Talibans of TFM Page. :)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 66.57.18.157) on: Thu Jan 16 19:48:48 EST 2003
  
  Yep, precisely why I stopped participating in DF. Incisive, elaborate, meaningful, descriptive, substantiative, spot-on responses like that of Lollu Party's.
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 16 20:05:37 EST 2003
  
  Wow! George Bush needs to take lessons from me. :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Jan 17 12:37:21 EST 2003
  
  Guys..there is nothing wrong in having opinions/preferences in any thing. Actually, I would say you got to have an OPINION on things. But you cannot be OPINIONATED, meaning you should be willing to change your opinions based on facts. Also, you cannot equate all pieces of creative work. You have to be discriminating, it does not do justice to an artist. For eg, at work we respect everybody, but not everybody is rated the same on performance and paid equally. The discussion forum is a good place to compare and contrast different styles/genres of music. But we all have to keep things in proper perspective. Never take these things too seriously. For eg, I dont shout at my wife for playing 'meesaikkAra nanBa..unakku rOsham athigamda' immediately after I have listened to an LP record containing hits of 1981 :) (dont chuckle saying I am hen-pecked :))
  If you read Srinath, Srikanth and their arguments you can learn a lot, atleast I did. If you guys are interested and like music. I suggest that you learn more about it. It does not matter whether you prefer one artiste over the other. Pick the works of that artiste and try to listen, more and analyse more of his/her work. For that matter, I have come to believe, that major part of progress in the western world, is influenced/contributed by people pursuing their hobbies/interests (normally known as 'early adopters' - these people support technology by buying the latest cars, electronics, sports equipment). So dont think film music is just for fun, keep buying music casually, jest in these forum with funny monikers and squander away your youth. Not that I am saying you cannot have a sense of humor, but follow up on your hobby a little bit more seriously. Just give a thought why is that a bunch of notes gives a sad feeling while something else evokes a feeling of joy, what is the difference between the nursery rhymes you were fond of in school, the first film songs you liked when you were a kid and the most profound piece of music you just happened to hear while somebody put you on 'hold' on the phone or whatever..
  If you really get serious, there is lot of money to be made in this industry as well..
  While I was in high school, we used to say the prayers, read the news and finish the morning 'assembly' with a 'thought for the day' - I would like to leave with one today - 'take your hobbies seriously'. Cheers.
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 64.102.254.33) on: Sat Jan 18 12:42:29 EST 2003
  
  Hey Guys I now this discussion is about Tamil Film Music, But just felt I should let you'll know, For those who know Hindi, or enjoy Hindi Music --- The Music of Jism is really very good, after a long time have I enjoyed Hindi Music.
  
  Just a warning, it is not for everyone, it is only for someone who really enjoys listening to slow soulful music.
  
  And for Srinath and Kiru, this is the kind of music I really enjoy ; )
  
  

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