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Is it healthy to compare the talents of two artists

Topic started by Seetharaman.S (@ 3.houston-18-19rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) on Thu Oct 22 11:48:04 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,
Iam pretty much new. After seeing the forum this question arised in my mind.
I feel that each and every artist(here I mean MDs and lyricists) is unique and they have their own way of expressing themselves. Is it good to compare them?

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• From: Hi :)) (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Mon Jun 12 16:09:28 EDT 2000
  
  MS, I have hear both. gOpaanganE (note, i am no dissing kjy), is no perfect singing. Please watch closely, there are lots places where sruthi does not touch the right spot, even in the begeninge of song. It is glaring when listened on CD. ramakatha....to some extent I agree....great singing and impactful voice. Anyway for melancholy KJY voice suiting.
  
  
• From: gundu (@ dhcp80fff2c6.dynamic.uiowa.edu) on: Mon Jun 12 16:12:39 EDT 2000
  
  hi all,
  
  there is this hearsay that goes around that when sankarabharanam was being planned and K. Viswanath approached SPB, the latter backed out since the songs were heavily carnatic based and instead recommended KJY. but KV persisted with SPB and rest is history. I think no one can instill more life into a song than SPB. he is just trumps up in this case. ofcourse, he tends to get carried away in some songs especially towards the end where there r lot of unnecessary and extra "bhavams" brought in. I always wonder why he does this. I mean, the MDs literally give him a free hand towards the end or what? at the same time, one can notice that he doesn't do this kinda thing with ARR .. maybe there r tighter controls. :) ... IMHO, KJY can only bring out some emotions .. usually he is bland (I am ready to be roasted :) ) like that sadma song "surmayi ankhiyon me" ... if say, he sang that song in "sethu" that IR sang .. the sentimental one, it wud have sounded pretty good ...
  OTOH, SPB is good with almost all emotions .. and his multitude of songs stand as testimonies ...
  
  my 5ps..
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 12 16:18:06 EDT 2000
  
  difficult to accept hi:-) as I have the CD too.
  
  
• From: Observer (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Mon Jun 12 16:32:41 EDT 2000
  
  MS, you might have to call me and I can prove. Not in the aalaap, but once the pallavi starts and touches a high note, you will note, I am sure:)))))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 12 16:37:55 EDT 2000
  
  Ha Kanchana - neengaLAa ? Please send a mail.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Jun 12 16:51:05 EDT 2000
  
  ms, correct,
  difficult to accept your claim as most of us have the CD :)
  
  observer/hi: it is a known fact that high notes are often not reached by kjy, but needs a very sharp ear to identify it., you have one. :)
  
  
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Mon Jun 12 17:03:37 EDT 2000
  
  Yes, we can compare upto some extent.
  
  A good musician can attract the listeners by a very simple tune at the
  same time he can compose real complicated pieces.
  
  A musician admires another musician looking at few factors.
  
  1. creativity
  2. complexity
  3. arrangement
  4. feel
  
  Personally I like the Complexity part.
  
  I do not have much admiration on many of the North Indian composers, as the level of complexity is comparitively less. This leads to a similar kind of song pattern, especially on chord progression, same violin runs etc. in this case you won't find any further improvement. An Ordinary listener cannot say exactly what is lacking. But he can say that 'this song is boring'.
  
  Among IR & ARR, More than us, IR knows very well about ARR and vice versa. Both of them knows who is better in what way. They may not pass comments openly. if ARR finds difficult to do a task which IR can do easily, definitely ARR will have admiration, frustration, etc. etc. towards IR. & vice versa.
  
  Complexity is one of the key factors which makes other musicians mad!
  
  
  Any comments...?
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Mon Jun 12 17:06:53 EDT 2000
  
  sometimes New Ideas arises when we try to compose complex tunes.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 12 17:33:39 EDT 2000
  
  Thus we come to IR vs ARR :-)
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Jun 12 17:39:46 EDT 2000
  
  MS:)))
  
  It took about 3+ hrs for the forest fire to ignite, naveen thanks for opening the gates. :)
  expect to spread soon!...i am going watch about the forest fire later in CNN rather than being in one..
  :)
  
  
• From: Theee theee thiththikkum theee (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Mon Jun 12 18:31:12 EDT 2000
  
  MS,fan your statements are more dangerous than Naveen's innocent observations:))))) This might become one more thread to avoid.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ webcache.ccs.yorku.ca) on: Tue Jun 13 00:00:05 EDT 2000
  
  Is one person using various names the fashion now?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ webcache.ccs.yorku.ca) on: Tue Jun 13 00:38:52 EDT 2000
  
  On the issue of comparisions, who do you guys think is better in LRE or SJ in songs like 'nila kaayuthu' and such.
  
  And another subject is YSR and KR. YSR seems to me like he has more talent in the sense that he makes songs that attracts youngsters. Like a fave here is 'Vennila veliyae varuvaaya' and songs of Poovellam ketupaar. From the start, YSR has had a silent lead over KR, even though the later seems to have more popularity share from Father.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jun 13 01:38:51 EDT 2000
  
  enna aruvi ? nothing about chithra ? :-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.227) on: Tue Jun 13 01:51:02 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi!
  Dad's favouring one son over another usually have much to do with `obedience':-) I think the aspects being compared in this thread relate more to music than HR:-)
  
  As an adjunct to my earlier post (2 pages before), certain aspects of comparisons of `creations' too is possible; i.e. measurable parameters and the quantitative part!
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ webcache.ccs.yorku.ca) on: Tue Jun 13 09:03:02 EDT 2000
  
  Eden,
  I said nothing about Dad's favouring one son over the other. I just said that KR's popularity is more due to his father. I mean that KR is more widely identified as IR's son and that was where the hype was initially. But YSR didn't get too much of that.
  
  MS,
  I think the people on the forum are a little tired of discussing the same thing. So, unless someone else starts something, I am going to keep quiet.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jun 13 10:42:05 EDT 2000
  
  tired of dissussing the same thing ? :-) Atleast for IR vs ARR they seem to derive more and more enthu :-)
  
  Folks, how about listing songs of the great artists. The idea is that the song sould have been sung by an artist in one language and by another in another. I have already given two examples. Let me list out a few more:
  
  (1) thEnsidhuthE vaanam - SPB
  mrogindhi veeNa - PS- telugu
  
  (2) poonthaLiraada - SPB
  poonthaLiraadi - KJY - mallu
  
  (3) ennai thaaLaatta - HH
  oh chinnaari - SPB- telugu
  
  (4) all songs of Ithaiyaththai thirudaathE - Mano
  Geetanjali - SPB - telugu
  
  (5) maasi maasam - KJY,swarna
  eno raathrolosthaayi - SPB,chitra
  
  (6) ithazil kathai - SPB, CHitra
  lalitha priya kamalam - KJY, chithra
  
  If people can throw in more numbers, we may form a list.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Tue Jun 13 12:45:51 EDT 2000
  
  7)havva havva--hindi song
  yappaa yappaa ayyappaa--Thamizh devotional by Veeramani
  
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Tue Jun 13 13:01:45 EDT 2000
  
  To a large extent, "bhavam" or expression of a singer is a function of the singer's expertise in the language he/shes singing. A lot of my mallu friends rave about KJY's bhavam/expression in mallu songs. KJY's bhavam is certainly a raagam-based one rather than context-based in TFM, and in relative terms with SPB. But can the same be said about his songs in malayalam? Can someone familar with mallu songs throw light on this issue?
  
  Chandy
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jun 13 13:17:38 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya:
  
  kaduppula irukkeengaLAa ? :-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jun 13 13:18:41 EDT 2000
  
  chandy:
  
  Up to some extent I can. But it is not in the domain of newtfmpage :-)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Tue Jun 13 13:41:21 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  I am not asking for elaboration of various mallu songs by KJY. How is his bavam-lessness in mallu songs as compared to TFM is my query ? There is already quite a bit of comparison with telugu songs. The domain extends to a mallu-comparison - thats all.
  
  Chandy
  
  

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