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Topic started by JPM (@ 194.85.200.36) on Thu Sep 19 02:41:10 EDT 2002.
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Now you cant go to Jerry Goldsmith and say Morricone was better.. or go to
John Williams and say he is a lowlife and say someone else was better. You are sure to be smacked right across your face.

The reason being, its simply a matter of taste. Since, all arguments on the quality of music are mostly arbitrary
and tend to be highly subjective.. the commercial success of an album will be a more objective criterion for
rating a composer. Also, it must be noted that if an album fails, its not as if the composer has fizzled out..
it only signifies the composer has not been in the best of his forms in that particular album. No one in their right mind
can say for instance, En Mana Vaanil flopped so Raja is out for sure. the same goes for Baba..
However, since one album's success cannot reflect on composer's success, consistency is what is taken as the next criteria. We rate success
over a period of time. the basic criteria is.. Volume of hits to no. of movies. Once this is done, it will be instantly clear which composer is successful at this point of time or has been for this many years. Yet,
you must realize we are talking about only success and not quality. They are interdependent but not exclusively so.
If you think quality must be rated, then its only going to lead to further pointless arguments such as "I like him,
my friends like him, My White boss said his bgm is great, my brother's hindi-speaking friend was blown away.. so What the Hell?"
and these debaters conveniently deduce from their anecdotal evidence that the one who argues otherwise is a nut case and
promptly suggest so. This results in threads being populated with obscenities which we can live without.

anyway, now few questions to both ar rahman and raja fans.. answer whichever concerns you

1. What innovations have raja and rahman done respectively in tfm? Again, no anecdotes, no numerical advantage etc.
(I know this has been done in tfm page for a long long while but heck, it would be interesting to recap than to watch newtfmpage
rot in shame)
2. Why do you think Rahman/ Raja is commercially successful?
3. Why do you think Rahman/ Raja is internationally acclaimed?
4. Quote some memorable bgms or interludes which you think fellow df-ers will like too. (my gripe is these days newtfmpage threads lose
focus and look like some public chat room) Will be better if u can give links to those bits.
5. Try to listen to a famous/relatively album of Other composer and do a sincere review and try to list out the good things about the album
after all, every album will have some good thing in it that you will like..(without resorting to he knows only dham-dhamakku
or he is only sound engineer et al) If you are dissed by some bad aspects of the album.. do post it but politely so that other df-ers will not be
offended.
6. Anything else you can think of..

I know all those longtimers sighing.. but dont u think this is better than personal mudslingings and obscenities?

lets see how long this thread continues to talk about music only without abusing composers/fellow df-ers...
Game on..

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• From: Deivam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Sep 20 00:36:41 EDT 2002
  
  Looks like ambleen accepts defeat, even if not graciously.
  And as is usually done, bash the person, if you cannot deny the statements.
  
  
• From: I want Idli (@ 166.90.34.233) on: Fri Sep 20 00:50:02 EDT 2002
  
  ARR was kothadimai to IR as keyboard player.. after serving the bond.. he stole IR's old tunes and used in Roja.. Tamil pattu kekkanumna andha kalathil only IR songs.. so ARR copy adippathil Achariyam illai.. enna deivam solradhu..
  
  
• From: Deivam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Sep 20 00:59:18 EDT 2002
  
  Like ARR who contributed to IR's music, there were many others. But IR was selfish and kept all glory to himslef. The only reason we know about ARR's role is because he is No. 1 today. There were 100s others who were hidden from the limelight and IR took all their praises. When everyone deserted him, he became what he is today.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 01:07:13 EDT 2002
  
  Ambleen.. can you imagine a guy who was battered and bruised in a war and getting wounded in all parts of his body, with blood bleeding, broken hands hanging.. saying.. Ok Accept the defeat?
  If you have not seen.. Meet Mr.Deivam..
  
  
• From: Ayo Pattikkitchu (@ 24.156.49.133) on: Fri Sep 20 01:08:49 EDT 2002
  
  Looks like some people are demanding Idli as compensation from IR for his flopped songs Ivan & EMV. Hehehehe...
  
  
• From: Deivam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Sep 20 01:35:21 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman, do you realise that YOU are responsible for my being here? If you had not the itch to diss other MDs, I would have no business here. Don't pretend not to be hurt by my little anecdote.
  
  As for ambleen, I suggest that you take care of raajanGHAM and not mess around with others.
  
  OK, I think I have stirred up a hornet's nest here and I can see a lot of buzzing.
  
  I will leave you guys to enjoy your own prefered choice, but please do not condemn another.
  
  If you do, I will be forced to return.
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Sep 20 02:45:41 EDT 2002
  
  Deivam
  poda
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 03:06:33 EDT 2002
  
  Didn't i tell you man? There are only 2 or 3 guys coming in different names and id creating an illusion that ARR has some fans. Let him live with those 300 songs. Let us live with 4000 songs. He is a disgrace to be a fan of any MD. Because he could not appreciate even one song of ARR meaningfully in an ARR thread. He is wandering like a stray dog.. from one IR thread to the other. If we ignore his stupidity, he will come out with stupid remarks like "Accept the defeat".. It is insult to us to talk to immatured morons like him. Let him bark. Let us continue with analysis of IR's music. If he has really some kind of common sense,he would go to one of ARR's thread and post something about ARR songs. But for him fighting like a street dog in a forum like this is a hobby. I suggest him to go to some yahoo chat rooms and abuse as much as he can. I hope he is not getting charged for internet access. I came to TFM forum. Met music lover. I have downloaded 158 (140 IR)songs so far in 3 days. Not like this useless prick who keeps blabbering and talking to Ghosts.
  
  
• From: Deivam (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Sep 20 03:14:16 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman dog
  You don't even have the grace of a pile of sh*it.
  After having sh*it piled on your face, you still don't know how to give up do you?
  You are a disgrace on this face of earth. I am sure you were born from a tear in the condom and that you have are a mutant with no mental growth.
  
  Why don't you commit suicide, and then fans of both ARR and IR can live in peace?
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Fri Sep 20 03:53:31 EDT 2002
  
  (61.6.38.132),
  
  ithu enna da??....whoever told u i belong to Raajangahm?
  if you have an extra sense...its not working!!
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri Sep 20 05:23:55 EDT 2002
  
  Good that even this thread has been spoiled. We don't have exceptional threads any more in this forum as of now.
  
  Kudos for having maintained the record.
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.138) on: Fri Sep 20 08:26:54 EDT 2002
  
  God@161, thank u for tat post. I never knew abt IR's past. I did not know he was a "koothaadi" b4 he came to cineworld. But then, he must have been thro alot to get to where he is today. Tat's good isnt it. I always admired those who had to start from scratch to make it big. Unlike ARR who had music in his blood, IR's mus have been a soul call. Either way, both of them have made big contributions to TFM. Let us celebrate their differences instead of bitching over it.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Fri Sep 20 08:54:54 EDT 2002
  
  Are Yaar,
  Well said.
  The Flower Thread of newtfmpage ippo koovam maadhiri naari pochu..chey...ennaikku thaan ivanunga thirundhuvaangalo?
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 09:31:08 EDT 2002
  
  LOL@lord labaku
  
  WN .. i appreciate your efforts. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 09:45:27 EDT 2002
  
  LOL@Ambleen.. don't worry he would use his non-existent sixth sense to detect who is who? Don't worry next time he will say "you studied with Karthik Raja". For him inventing theories out of thin hair from Malayasia is a hobby. Let him continue talking to Ghosts.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 10:45:05 EDT 2002
  
  We can ignore that guy. Other day i was listening to the song .. Amma endrazaikkadha... man it is such an emotionally appealing song. Another such song is Then Pandi Cheeamaiyile. He has made Kamal sing with such fervor and intensity.
  
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.57.186) on: Fri Sep 20 11:15:54 EDT 2002
  
  I already posted this in song of the day thread..
  But still i want to tell you.. Raja parvai Theme music is the song of the day. He has proved what kind of a magician he is in this one tune.
  
  

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