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Are IR's songs mini-symphonies ?

Topic started by cosmician (@ 194.170.1.66) on Mon Apr 23 08:05:12 EDT 2001.
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It has been quite sometime since I'd listened to IR songs...apart from Friends and Bharathy and a few others...I'd even stopped listening to IR's older nos...thus when I listened to a few of his older numbers chosen at random...the thng that struck me was the perfect structure and how differenet instruments blended into the mould of the theme or tune that he had set...and hence my query...does IR approach each song of his as a mini-symphony ? I think he does...but more music literate folks will have an accurate analysis....

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• From: Saravanan (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Wed Apr 25 15:07:20 EDT 2001
  
  Dear CF,
  As far as Devadhai is concerned, the BGM is simply excellent and there's no second idea of being doubt about it. To enjoy the music, go to a theatre which has DTS. For the films have DTS, u should not just comment them by watching them in TV. I am not blaming ur TV but there are several other factors like transmission, Wattage of speakers etc., And no TV has a DTS built in. Even if u watch a DTS movie in " DAPPAA " theatres, u could not able to distinguish between dialogues and music, since there is no channel separation in the normal system as DTS system has. That is different frequency of music is separated and heard from different speakers. If u have a normal stereo system, it's not sufficient to adopt this feature and u could have heared all kind of frequencies in a single speaker. That's the reason why u have this annoyance. So, it's not problem with u or ur TV and ofcourse not at all with IR either. I hope u'll be cleared...
  As UVII had told, it was really nice to watch devadhai in theatres like DEVI PARADISE in chennai, Archana / Central in Covai, Maapillai vinaayagar in Madurai...
  
  Yours friendly,
  Saravanan...
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Wed Apr 25 16:06:31 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  I havent seen devadhai, But I saw many reviews in TV and Magazine, mentioning about its exceptional BGM. Raja too credited it to nasser for choosing DTS for the movie, which boosted the effect.
  
  Is Devadhai available in DVD?.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Apr 25 17:44:56 EDT 2001
  
  kk,
  If you carefully follow IRs responses you will notice, he will not respond well for any non-musical talk. So in this case of DTS, the interviewer appreciatively asked IR, "Oh, you have done this in DTS, how so nice " or something to that effect. IR coldly replied it was Nasser's idea. I think he was disappointed nobody asked him about the music actually.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 209.180.243.101) on: Thu Apr 26 00:50:14 EDT 2001
  
  Bull's eye Kiru...you got it...I think IR was again disappointed by the way press/public did not notice the GREAT BGM of Dhevadhai...I remember only anandha vikatan praising IR for the BGM, that too the BGM during the closing credits of the film.
  
  CF,
  Try to see the film in a good Theatre/home theatre system sincerely...Don't be biased....
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 63.97.162.88) on: Thu Apr 26 09:28:06 EDT 2001
  
  I think Devadhai got released sometime around the summer of 1997. The movie was a OK one and I still remember the reviews raved and praised about the BGM (not the songs). It was true indeed. The BGM was scintillating and personally (like most of the fellow forum'ers) did not have any problem with music over riding the dialogs. Only a few "lucky" people have that feeling.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 26 11:47:33 EDT 2001
  
  
  Don't be biased....
  
  
  Who is biased.? If I say that devathai's BGM was great after seeing the film in DD, then it will be a biased on. It was not that good. I also, accept the fact that DTS might not have its effect in TV. I accept your argument. Can I see the film in computer with multimedia kit (I won't have the patience to see it any more. )? I don't think that the film will be released in threatres with DTS , in my life time. Anyway, I said what I felt.
  
  
• From: RC (@ 158.106.50.3) on: Thu Apr 26 12:32:14 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.sulekha.com/movies/messages/22994.html
  
  Check this one out. Some dude wants help burning IR cds from Napster.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Apr 26 16:24:23 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  You primary problem in Devadhai BGM was it was loud and supressing dialogs. You didnt mention anything techinaly about the 'music' itself.
  
  BGM being loud is a mixing or reproduction problem. What a composer can do for that?.
  
  ok, now you say you didnt like it. YOu could have told it much earlier and avoided all repeated posting about DTS, DD etc.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Apr 27 09:54:17 EDT 2001
  
  kk:
  When you see a film and if you could not follow the dialogs because of the BGMs that suppresses the dialog, what do you expect a person to think about.
  BGMs need to be supportive to the scene and should not at anytime try to dominate the scene. Let, how much ever brilliant the BGM be, if it distracts you without your knowledge and makes you concentrate on BGM rather than the actual story line then the BGM is a wrong element in the film. Now, this does not apply to all films. Many films, especially Indian masalas need BGM to gives an extra punch to the scene artificially. But, for some films it should be the dialogs, screenplay and acting that should stand first and BGM should do the second fidle roll. BGM should be there but should not distract us from the actual film.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 64.12.96.236) on: Fri Apr 27 13:07:12 EDT 2001
  
  i think you are arguiing for the sake of arguing-If IR is able to come with a very good BGM, is it his fault?many directors would rather welcome a good BGM, which if the movie is good, will elevate the movie to the next dimension.Many a directors have reportedly fallen at raaja's feet after seeing the completed film.
  Someone had mentioned in another posting that apparently only songs must be a criteria to judge a music director-bgm has no relevance it seems-ha ...ha....best joke if i have heard one.
  i cant help mentioning about the incident when IR came up spontaneously The Das das no in Kadalora kavidhaigal.if something like that happened when ARR is doing BGM, i am sure there will be a few heart attacks around !
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 64.12.96.236) on: Fri Apr 27 13:14:57 EDT 2001
  
  How would you rate the importance of re-recording?
  
  the folowing is an excerpt from harris jeyaraj's interview-i am glad atleast he agrees with me :-)
  
  Re-recording makes the difference between the film music directors and the pop music directors. Many pictures have achieved success because of wonderful background music. It is more important than the songs themselves. I think I might have done even better in 'Minnale'.
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Apr 27 13:24:25 EDT 2001
  
  The second para of my last posting was completely my opinion about BGM as general and not to do any thing with IR inperticular or Devathai film.
  
  
  i cant help mentioning about the incident when IR came up spontaneously The Das das no in Kadalora kavidhaigal.if something like that happened when ARR is doing BGM, i am sure there will be a few heart attacks around !
  
  
  Let me tell you about similar BGMs which comes into my mind now.
  
  1. "mangalyam thandhunane" from Alaipayudhe.
  2. A ghazal type aalap in Bombay, where the hero meets heroine (muslim).
  3. If you had seen rangeela, you would have notice a cool BGM played many times for urmila.
  
  I could remeber only this now. Given a chance to you, you will come up with many to stake your claim. I have never questioned the brilliance of IR in BGM. But, I also maintain that not all his films have great BGMs. Many have mediocre to very mediocre BGMs (another film to through up controversy in Poovilangu-- i saw it in TV a nearly a week before).
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 64.12.96.236) on: Fri Apr 27 13:27:52 EDT 2001
  
  i must confess, i was impressed with ARR's bgm in minsara kanavu, rhythm,and KKKK-but he does them only for big budget chaps.
  have u seen Karisakkatupoove-please watch it just for the BGM-done for a Kasthuri raaja movie-the likes of whom wont find the teeniest of place in ARR's scheme of things
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Apr 27 13:40:34 EDT 2001
  
  
  i must confess, i was impressed with ARR's bgm in minsara kanavu, rhythm,and KKKK-but he does them only for big budget chaps
  
  Because, that is his business strategy. We can't question it. What he gives is music as a complete product, with every thing upto carefull publicity is involved.
  
  
  have u seen Karisakkatupoove-please watch it just for the BGM-done for a Kasthuri raaja movie
  
  Might be a good one. But, I don't think that I will be seeing that in theatre.
  
  have you seen andhimantharai. Its a budget film of bharathiraja and if you happen to see the film just concentrate on the BGM. It won't distract you. It had a beautiful soft number "sakhiye needhan thunaiye". ARR did it freely for Bharathiraja. Don't ask me the source, I read it in some tamil mag.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 172.132.250.102) on: Fri Apr 27 16:03:23 EDT 2001
  
  you never tire of arguing-you are indeed a hard nut to crack!:-)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Fri Apr 27 16:26:52 EDT 2001
  
  CF...
  
  You left out the bit in "Thiruda Thiruda"...that really got me when I saw the film in theatre as did the "Das Das.." bit when I saw KK !
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Mon Apr 30 05:17:11 EDT 2001
  
  >>just concentrate on the BGM. It won't
  distract you.<
  
  yes, it doesn't, for the movie had almost no bg score in most of the scenes (i felt it was good not to have bgm and let the actors do their bit than screaming ur throat out as in Bombay )
  
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Mon Apr 30 05:19:12 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  >>1. "mangalyam thandhunane" from Alaipayudhe.
  2. A ghazal type aalap in Bombay, where the hero meets heroine (muslim).
  3. If you had seen rangeela, you would have notice a cool BGM played many times for urmila. <<
  
  i think there's no point talking to u about BGMs when u say these are good :-)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 30 12:25:14 EDT 2001
  
  :-):
  anthimandarai had excellent bgm which was very mild in sound very apt for the scene and the characters there. BR himself had mentioned this once. You won't like it because you just don't want to like it.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Apr 30 20:55:59 EDT 2001
  
  Typical Indian Films - all those BGMs sound great although they remind me more of tunes used in advertisements.
  BTW, "Hey Ram's" score was one of the best I have heard for an indian film so far. Scoring for a film is different from scoring for songs - And so far I have seen this quality only in Rajas films. Although I should say, a few songs sucked in that movie.
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Wed May 2 04:32:54 EDT 2001
  
  >>You won't like it because you just don't want to like it.<<
  
  on the other hand, u would like mANgalyam thandhunAnE being sung as if the sastrigal were constipated, just bcos u want to like it!
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Mon May 7 14:28:39 EDT 2001
  
  I loved a wonderful comment on Raja by my friend
  
  He told
  'Raaja...oorukellam KaLL(toddy) koduthavar'
  
  

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