Topic started by MUSIC ENTHUSIASIST. (@ 210.187.177.111) on Sun Nov 23 11:21:28 EST 2003.
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I think that both IR and GR share the same style of composing music,MSV and ARR share another same style.I think it shoud be grouped as GR-IR & MSV-ARR.Dear music experts, please comment on these topic.
Responses:
- From: NAMASIVAYA (@ 210.187.176.21)
on: Mon Nov 24 08:36:31 EST 2003
GR-IR=MELODIOUS MUSIC,MSV-ARR=TOO MUCH SPECIAL EFFECTS IN MUSIC.
- From: x (@ 209.47.143.226)
on: Mon Nov 24 09:55:25 EST 2003
ARR should not be compared with the other 3.
ARR's music is not real music. His music can be defined as 'good enjoyable sound'. That's all. ARR's music lacks archestration and it is heavily influenced by western notations. He uses too much of loops, synthesizers, samplers and drumpads. His tunes are simple (with a few exceptions) and nothing too great about it. He primarily depends on his sound and that's why his songs fade away too soon.
GR was the one who simplified complex classical ragas and produced great melodies in film music. It was actually his formula that everybody else followed later. MSV gave importance to the tune and the lyrics. IR was the one who balanced both the music and tune equally well and made it so enjoyable for the listeners. That's the reason why his olds songs are still so refreshing..
- From: haridass (@ 210.187.176.21)
on: Mon Nov 24 10:11:41 EST 2003
I agree with you Namasivaya.GR-IR=genius,but MSV-ARR=amateurs.You know why?Because GR-IR compose in their heads whenever the directors tells the scene/situation,but MSV-ARR take their own sweet time and try to fit one-by-one of their tunes to the movie with less choices to be made by the directors(e.g.Bharathiraja gave some ideas to ARR for `PORALE PONNUTHAAYI`in KARUTTHAMMA to work on the song and improve it for the period of nearly a month.)In contrast,IR re-scored the BGM and the song-music for HEY RAM,without even needing for Kamal to re-shoot the song scenes,with several alternative tunes within the period of one week.
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Mon Nov 24 16:30:52 EST 2003
Haridas,
Why are you pulling MSV? ARR takes more time for bringing in the desired sound effects. That's all.
GR and IR are great so as MSV. ARR is in the process. Wait and see. He is having more years to achieve it.
- From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44)
on: Mon Nov 24 18:42:31 EST 2003
GR-IR --> iraNdaezhuththu
MSV-ARR --> moondrezhuththu
so the next pair should be of naangezhuththu. it is none other than
Veda-Deva
- From: GCT_Kuil (@ 128.107.253.42)
on: Mon Nov 24 21:09:10 EST 2003
Kupps...Abaara Comparison :p
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.9.170.105)
on: Tue Nov 25 00:43:29 EST 2003
haridas, u comparison is not correct in my opinion. MSV was not slow as u hv mentioned. In fact the topic doesnt talk about comparison. it questions who will be the successor in the list. In my opinion that person hasn't entered TFM.
- From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.39)
on: Tue Nov 25 04:31:12 EST 2003
Kupps,
konjam vitta onun, rendunnu varisai paduthi padiduveenga pola irukkey ... romba yosichiteenga!
Haridass,
MSV and ARR are amateurs ... ARR, ofcourse i can understand that its vayatherichal.....but MSV? .... ur being an amateur by calling a genius an amateur
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.210.35.66)
on: Tue Nov 25 05:31:26 EST 2003
C~P,
ithellam kooda pesuviyaa nee?
- From: . (@ 161.114.64.74)
on: Tue Nov 25 07:14:57 EST 2003
LOL@Kupps!:)
- From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.131)
on: Tue Nov 25 08:31:48 EST 2003
rajasaranam,
athu appadi illai aiya ... aadikku one time and ammavaasaikku one time, ippadi athuvaa varum! :-)... esplly when things said are absolutely ridiculous ... lots of ridiculous things going on today .... innikku enna vishesham?
plus exam vera mudinjiducha, pozhapillama ella thread-aiyum suththi suththi varaen! :-)
- From: niwdah (@ 210.187.176.59)
on: Tue Nov 25 13:06:06 EST 2003
GR=introduce great tunes in tfm using sophistisated sangeeta raagas.
IR=did the same.
MSV=did the same (but not as great as GR/IR)
ARR=copy the three of them by adding new sounds to their original tunes(e.g.IR`s original verssion of ALAIPAYUTHEY IN ETHANAI KONAAM,ETTHANAI PAARVAI in 1978=ARR`s ALAIPAYUTHEY IN ALAIPAYUTHEY in 2000/GR`s NYANA PALATTEI PILANTHU IN POOMPUHAR in 1950`s=ARR`s vaarayo tholi in JEANS in 1997,I THINK IDONT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MSV since he is a good friend of ARR,as he sang for ARR in several movies,SANGAMAM,KANNATTIL MUTTAMITTAL)
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.161)
on: Tue Nov 25 13:07:59 EST 2003
C~P,
nalla pozhaputhaan. sari Tfm surfers nxt meet enna aachu.
- From: Dorai (@ 68.39.137.213)
on: Tue Nov 25 19:04:00 EST 2003
ARR -- not in the same caliber of GR, MSV and IR.
Please compare ARR with HR, DEVA, VS, YSR, KR, etc.
- From: Dorai (@ 68.39.137.213)
on: Tue Nov 25 19:04:13 EST 2003
ARR -- not in the same caliber of GR, MSV and IR.
Please compare ARR with HJ, DEVA, VS, YSR, KR, etc.
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.152)
on: Tue Nov 25 22:31:50 EST 2003
rajasaranam,
meet-a? ... theriyala pa .... 22nd-nu sollittu iruthaen but Prabhu wasnt in town .... so next month thaan eppovaathu irukkanum
i dunno why there is a group(goshti!) here failing to acknowledge what MSV has done ... cinematic music naaley MSV thaan pa ... mellisai ... enna yezhavu da ithu?! ARR-a sonnalavathu vayatherichal puriyuthu, MSV-um??!!!
- From: RR (@ 203.199.213.4)
on: Thu Nov 27 21:21:58 EST 2003
It is indeed amusing to find criticism of MSV for
taking his own sweet time to compose. To the contrary, MSv is known to give several tunes for the smae song in a hurry and let the director/producer decide. Some oft quoted examples are: Madana Maaligaiyil, Aaru Maname AAru
etc.
RR
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.238)
on: Thu Nov 27 23:01:10 EST 2003
RR,
rightly said...i dunno wat made this people think that the likes of Director Sridhar wud wait for a year to get 10 songs from MSV!!
- From: RR (@ 203.199.213.3)
on: Thu Dec 4 03:58:01 EST 2003
C-P: Thanks for your comments. i might also add
the case of "Mutthana Mutthallavo" in Nenjil Or Aalayam which was composed as KD, MSV and Chitralaya Gopu travelled from one studio to another in Chennai (all in a matter of 30 min.).
BTW, Tamizh Isai Sangam is honouring MSV with "Isai Peraringyar" title this year, a fitting tribute indeed.
RR
RR
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.9.170.105)
on: Thu Dec 4 04:42:49 EST 2003
I came to know about "Isai Peraringar" award for MSV yesterday and felt happy about it. First fan club for music director was for MSV. In Suriyan FM (it comes in cable tv for us in bangalore), there was program for an hour telecasting solos of various singers. Program started with a duet of MSV and SJanaki (Chollathan Ninaikirean). Other songs played are,
1. Enge Theduvean Pannathai Enge ( N.S.Krishnan)
2. Chenthamizh Then Mozhiyall ( T.R.Mahalingam )
3. Devan Koyil Maniyosai (Seekazhi Govindarajan)
4. Paaduvor Paadinal Aadathonrum (T.M.Soundararajan)
5. Velli Mani Osaiyie (PSeseela)
6. Kaalangalil Aval Vasandham ( P.B.Srinivas)
7. Unnidathil Ennai Koduthean ( S.Janaki )
8. Paadumbothu Naan Thenral Kaatru (S.P.Balasubramaniam)
9. Pattathu Rani Paarkum Paarvai ( L.R.Eswari)
10. Adisaya Raagam Aandha Raagam (K.J.Yesudas)
11. Malligai En Mannan (Vani Jayaram )
12. Thirupathu Chenru Thirumbi (M.S.Viswanathan)
The program was exactly for one hour. There are many more singers. The program could have been for two hours. But it was a nice program.
- From: C~P (@ 61.2.224.5)
on: Thu Dec 4 09:25:40 EST 2003
'Isai Peraringyra' ??? ... how come this isnt in the papers???? ... shouldnt this be like the Talk Of The Twon or watv? ... crazy people! (or did i miss it?!..hehe)
honours for these people reach pretty late....good that he is atleast remembered
that reminds me...there is a Nagesh Paarattu Vizha coming soon...like a Star Night kinda thing....good if we do such things when the person is still there to look at it and feel proud...the Sivaji show was a bit late and it was filled with sadness!!
- From: C~P (@ 61.2.224.5)
on: Thu Dec 4 09:31:38 EST 2003
RR,
You are welcome. As everybody can see, there is no debating the genious of MSV. It is indeed hard to see people calling him an amateur! And the incident which u referred to should clarify doubts about the speed of his composition.
I've heard that MSV and Kannadhasan composed a song on stage. It was in some Musical Show that was held during those days and the audience had the pleasure of watching MSV setting Kannadhasan's lyrics into a proper tune. Is this correct? Was this tune used in some movie?
- From: Jeyaram (@ 203.199.253.163)
on: Fri Dec 5 09:06:17 EST 2003
Song was 'Angum Ingum Padai Onru...' from Avargal. It was composed by the great MSV and Kannadasan on a show at Madras Univ Hall. It was supposed to be an unexpected announcement by KB, director of the film in making. Till today, I would consider this as a unique song of MSV, sung by SPB beautifully,
Calling MSV as amateur is ridiculous and to be ignored.
- From: x (@ 209.47.143.226)
on: Fri Dec 5 15:35:13 EST 2003
"Angum Ingum paadhai undhu
Indru nee endha pakkam!"
It's not only a great song for MSV and SPB but also for kannadasan. Simple but great lyrics. If you watch this song in the movie, the lyrics would make perfect sense. That's the kind of understanding that MSV and kannadasan had in those days.. We will never find such a duo ever in TFM again! IR and vairamuthu was a good pair too but unfortunately didn't last long..
- From: C~P (@ 61.2.224.105)
on: Sun Dec 7 05:03:37 EST 2003
thanks a lot Jeyaraman
was there any such attempt by any other MD? .. any idea about it?
- From: RR (@ 203.199.213.3)
on: Mon Dec 8 21:55:06 EST 2003
C-P: There is a write-up on MSV in yesterday's HINDU (page 2) in the wake of the title he is to receive.
RR
- From: RR (@ 203.199.213.3)
on: Mon Dec 8 21:57:25 EST 2003
C.P: Also, if I may add to the "Avargal" song incident, MSV after composing the tune, also composed the interludes taught SPB (in teh audience) the song and made him sing with the orchestra all in front of a (stunned!) audience. The song was recorded next day morning. MSV said as much in an AIR interview.
RR
- From: velji (@ 61.11.82.58)
on: Mon Dec 8 22:58:55 EST 2003
To equal MSV with ARR is atrocious!
MSV was a peioneer, whereas ARR is a new comer.
You can say GR was a different genre.
MSV was noticed only after "Kulebagavali"
Please try to appreciate the quality of each MDs instead of comparing them.
It is like starting a thread like " which is better : Laddu or Mysore Pak ?"
- From: sureshkumar (@ 203.129.195.138)
on: Mon Dec 8 23:58:33 EST 2003
why youo people are making such serious comparisions .Each one of them are the best in thier own way.It is not wise to compare them based on the songs they have composed.Better you can compare them based on the background scores they have rendered for the movies.Definitely IR is the best.
- From: --- (@ 203.129.195.138)
on: Mon Dec 8 23:59:26 EST 2003
and also they all belong to different era
- From: vsundar (@ 202.54.153.21)
on: Tue Dec 9 00:09:15 EST 2003
Both MSV and illayaraja are in different heights. They are incomparable in their periods. Till now MSV/illayaraja songs linger in one's mind and both produced some everlasting songs.
ARR, stands no way between them and it is like comparing Tendulkar with venkatesh prasad in terms of batting
- From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44)
on: Tue Dec 9 11:05:15 EST 2003
>>>>>>>>>>>
It is like starting a thread like " which is better : Laddu or Mysore Pak ?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
one can indeed compare when it comes to "sri krisha sweets" laddu with "sri krisha sweets" mysore pak. similarly for "thiruppathi" laddu. the comparison becomes more challenging when it comes to "sri krisha sweets" mysore pak and "thiruppathi" laddu.
based on the above fact/axiom the jaggernaut called TFM page (IR vs ARR) moves, dont u know that?
:-)
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.179)
on: Tue Dec 9 13:09:06 EST 2003
RR,
thanks a lot for the info
went thro it...can u make one clarification ... it sez 1750 film scores!!!! ... 1750 films is toooooo much and 1750 film song is tooooo less! :-) ... ennapa athu?
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why youo people are making such serious comparisions .Each one of them are the best in thier own way.It is not wise to compare them based on the songs they have composed.Better you can compare them based on the background scores they have rendered for the movies.Definitely IR is the best.
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ROTFL! :-))
Kupps,
ungalukku mattum eppadi ithellam thonuthu?! :-) .... talent-a?!
now temme...which is better...Mysore Pak or Laddu?! ... Tirupathi, Krishna sweets ellam izhukka vaendaam, general-a sollunga! ... does it depend on which is IR and which is ARR? ... hehe
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