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Imagine if there was no IR in the 80s and late 70s

Topic started by Moorthy (@ 65.69.45.32) on Tue Jun 18 13:24:14 EDT 2002.
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I always wondered how tamil music would have been in 80s if only IR wasn't there. Probably MSV and Sankar Ganesh must have been ruling. People like T.Rajendar and Chandrabose would be their competitors!! We would have had one forgettable decade in Music Industry!! Mouna Raagam music by M.S.Viswanathan!! Payanangal Mudivathillai probably would not have run 175 days. It would have been totally funny!!

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• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.167) on: Thu Jul 4 08:11:20 EDT 2002
  
  You guys have not seen the BD handbook-I have.I think it runs on these lines- from that book-''known as Mozart from madras in India...''
  now,that is new.Let ALW say that he thinks ARR is the mozart-but attributing it to us,I think is cheating the british public.
  Show me one Indian source which says he is mozart from madras before webber-I will stop posting in the forum:-)
  lucky he was not from bombay-bach from bombay-even more frightening-beethoven (my no.1 WCM composer)from bombay!Thank god!
  other suggested titles-dvorak(pronounced vojak-so I dont think this is good) or debussy from Delhi.
  
  
• From: 'yaaro#du pEsakkoodAthu (@ 195.188.191.69) on: Thu Jul 4 09:57:38 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro, there was this person called Kothai Koththakaleeswari who lives is in the village kuruttampokku patti who called ARR as the Indian Mozart. Now will you keep up your promise please ?
  
  
• From: AV (@ 12.234.170.75) on: Thu Jul 4 11:13:01 EDT 2002
  
  I think without IR, TFM would have been devoid of some of the most melodious songs in its history. I am all in awe of the IR-SPB-VM combination for giving such wonderful numbers like pannivizhum malarvanam, Illaya nilla, sangeetha megam, Poovil vandu koodum, geetham sangeetham, pada vanthatho kanam...the list can go on. My point is though MSV was a good MD it is IR who kind of brought real meaning to the term "light music", for his music was a likable medley of wcm, carnatic and folk music.
  
  With the advent of ARR the trend to infuse technology into every step of the music making process started. This also led to adorning the songs with sounds generated through tech and he instantly became popular. This I think is one major contribution of ARR to the development of TFM. This set a standard in the quality of music which other MD's(all over india) had to follow. So without IR of the 70's and 80's and ARR of the 90's, tfm wouldn't be the leading music industry in quality today.
  
  I took the liberty of bringing ARR into the equation coz lately (last 10 yrs) he has been the more promising of the two.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.50.158) on: Thu Jul 4 13:47:43 EDT 2002
  
  YP,
  let others thinkyou are a fool when you keep quiet-dont open your mouth and confirm it.
  I think this quote was designed keeping in mind gnanasoonyams like you.
  If you dont have anything valid to say why dont you just keep quiet?
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.182.46.152) on: Thu Jul 4 15:17:51 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro,
  
  gone are those days when you used to talk about IR's music. the amount of time you spend talking about ARR's BD, doesn't seem to do justice to ur intellect.
  
  did you read the Timeout's interview with ARR? i missed it. my friends who read it said, 'the sad indian middleclass humility which is out of place in UK, hope ARR will wake up to the reality soon'. while i admire him for attempting the musical in westend, but it is a sad let down in terms of what he delivered. but thats what london does. if one walks down westend, one can see the people with pretensions of high class when they are not and ARR fell in the trap of westend which most indian middleclass do (there is no denying that Westend is at the end of its life). but i think ARR has the stuff to pick himself up and move on, hopefully.
  
  by the way timeout's review says that 'ARR's music ( sometimes ravishing mix of percussion, keyboard and strings) hits the spot but otherwise unsupported by story, dialogues, lyrics and production.
  
  P.S. I now admire IR more for coming to london, getting RPH to play his symphony and then withholding it, not willing to use it to propel himself, and going back to his roots to continue with what he is at home with - Tamil film music. a low class that doesn't get carried away and that can preserve its own integrity.
  
  
• From: AV (@ 12.234.170.75) on: Thu Jul 4 15:36:57 EDT 2002
  
  selva,
  
  what has one stature got to do with doing music at westend? Just like movies, theatre is another art form. Just becuase madras doesn't have musical stage productions doesn't mean that, the art form itself is for pretensious people. The fact of the matter is ARR was invited to do it and he gladly obliged to it. I don't think that takes away anything from ARR. I also feel any comparison to IR in this respect is unwarranted. All imo...
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.182.46.152) on: Thu Jul 4 17:07:00 EDT 2002
  
  AV
  
  have you been to Westend? have you seen the people who are just there for 'Appearance'? if you have been and have been impressed you have been fooled!!! Theatre is another art form, agreed but not BD or the other musicals in Westend. BD is all about pretension of bringing east to west which any way was not the case!!! ( ALW's gimmick). i am proud that ARR was offered the opportunity (inspite of the contradiction) but i wish he could play his game in a puritanical sense which he didn't is what the disappointment about. i would be quite thrilled about theatre in chennai which is a city without pretensions (having seen london). I don't want to make any comparison with IR except for the obvious fact that both tested their opportunity in London. Believe me, London is the cultural capital of the world, and also it attracts mediocrity and results in people who can't keep pace with the cultural revolution that happens here (things change here so fast that an idea that erupts three years ago would be in oblivion in three mths time). It is the happening place but doesn't necessarily mean automatic elevation.
  
  PS: to put things in perspective, london is overwhelming, and so much happens here that even the street player is a king, if any of you been to Leicester Square will know. so what can ARR do that a street performer can't. Back home in india, people can be overawed but please don't. And shekar kapoor who was a phenomenon in india, where is he now after Queen Elizabeth?, no where. hahahaha. thats all this city is about, one phenomena from a thirld world country to laugh at. silly indians who fall for this. so so so sad.
  
  
• From: The Maestro Knows It All! (@ 12.84.106.221) on: Fri Jul 5 02:26:05 EDT 2002
  
  selva: sariya solluteengala saar. romba corrayt saar.
  
  That is why IR is a genius and the level of that genius cannot be understood unless one wants to think a little deeper into the matter. IR's native pride is what makes me more proud of born in the IR era. There were 3 remarkable geniuses that did not think recognition by the West was any important to achieve greatness world wide (which I don't know why we should seek! it happens we might have other problems!!! who knows what else!)
  
  Those 3 imho Sivaji, MGR and IR! They played out their hearts and mind and have won a permanent place in the minds and hearts of all south Indians!
  
  IR did absolutely right! For some publicity, good to have RPO record the Symphony, but I am sure something in their attitude must have stopped him from doing releasing that symphony or working on further symphonies. I once had an experience. I once gave a IR CD compilation to an American friend dating an Indian girl. To say that he was stunned is not what made me feel good, but his attitude was one of jealousy is what struck me as remarkable!! He just could not accept it that this kind of music was possible and that too from a cow country! That will sum up the attitude that must have come across at the RPO to the IsaiGnani! (btw, i have played Rahman's music too to which these guy shake their bodies, but they don't feel shocked to their DNAs! even Salilda has not evoked as much as IR's songs have. but this is besides the point.)
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Jul 5 04:37:40 EDT 2002
  
  >>>(btw, i have played Rahman's music too to which these guy shake their bodies, but they don't feel shocked to their DNAs! even Salilda has not evoked as much as IR's songs have. but this is besides the point.)
  
  probably dead men don't have their DNA shocked...but hold it ARR shocked and shaked a dead man...Amazing..That's the music power.
  
  How long will you continue with such highly subjective stories.
  Any one can say and any one can do that. Not that I doubt IR music effect, but I see jealousy in you writting.
  
  
• From: subjective objectives (@ 12.84.106.141) on: Fri Jul 5 05:01:36 EDT 2002
  
  is there anything objective in anything we do or talk? every damn thing is subjective. people's tastes are subjectives, likings are subjective, thus feelings and opinions are subjective. objective is subjective. so what you say is not objective pal it is subjective. tell me if subjective is then not objective. anything man made is subjective including the law my dear friend. so, forget this objective business.... btw, you should also know something about this powerful force called jealousy.
  
  
• From: illayarajafan (@ 209.244.100.36) on: Fri Jul 5 10:55:20 EDT 2002
  
  nor ir ..who cares ..there will be someone there..he thinks he is the best..bull shi t !
  
  
• From: AV (@ 12.234.170.75) on: Fri Jul 5 11:31:07 EDT 2002
  
  >>i am proud that ARR was offered the opportunity (inspite of the contradiction) but i wish he could play his game in a puritanical sense which he didn't is what the disappointment about.
  
  What do you mean by that? That ARR should not have had any recycled tunes(if that is the kind of morality u are talking abt). No, i have not been to westend and for that matter to london. But that is besides the point. It cannot be that the entire place is filled with pretensious people. Remember cats, and phantom of the opera have been successful not just in london but in US and europe as well. If IR didn't agree what the west things abt him then he should NOT have used the RPO to play his symphony, instead should have used the members of his own group to play and release it. Please...give me a break. Do not use IR's shortcoming to his advantage and in the process put down rahman.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.182) on: Fri Jul 5 15:16:09 EDT 2002
  
  Selva,
  I have been listening to serious WCM for the past 15 years-my CD collection runs into 100's.All this thanks to IR.That is why I am really peeved when ALW says that ARR is Mozart from madras-ARR!
  I have stopped talking about IR's music after I saw BD-I have seen what is ARR capable of doing -after 2 -3 years of hibernation to polish his indian hits and his fans are going ga-ga over this recycled stuff.
  I have been around in this forum for 4 years and have said what is there to say-I think you are new-so you will lot to say.all that has been said before.You will last for 2 years and then you will reach the same conclusions like others befor ,whether from IR grp or ARR grp and hold that their viewpoint is the correct one.I do not need webber to tell me what is good in my country's music-thanx!
  I am listening to engeyo edho from nadhiyai thedi vandha kadal as I type this-this is my music!touches a chord in your heart.
  are you in UK?
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.186.92.15) on: Sat Jul 6 06:11:53 EDT 2002
  
  
  Yaaro,
  
  Yes. I am in UK. Came to UK 2 yrs ago. It is obvious that i won't last in this forum for long, there is very little that this forum offers. Nevertheless, it gives me 'instant' updates of events back home. sometimes, i read the old threads which are good.
  
  I have this strange feeling about IR's music. I have grown with his music, but i feel i have missed out on a lot of his creations. even among those that i have heard i think there is still a lot to rediscover. Yaaro, do you think you will have the time and the inclination to help me out of this predicament.
  
  I am currently listening to the collection in Guitar Prasanna's site. I seem to have specifically missed out on the wonders of 80-85 period.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.33.152) on: Sat Jul 6 08:40:46 EDT 2002
  
  send me a mail.
  
  

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