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Is IR weak in Pattukku - Mettu ??

Topic started by haris (@ 63.208.135.112) on Sun Aug 13 01:01:09 EDT 2000.
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on hearing to 'Bharathi' songs - I feel so..
is he really weak in tuning - after the lyrics have been written...

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Aug 13 01:38:26 EDT 2000
  
  haris, have u listened to kanne kalaimaane from moondram pirai?;))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 38.27.83.196) on: Sun Aug 13 02:24:48 EDT 2000
  
  haris:
  
  yep! you found him out. Just like Mike Tyson has a weak right (compared to his left) or Pete Sampras has a weak back hand (compared to his fore hand).:-)
  
  
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 206.83.87.69) on: Sun Aug 13 11:16:01 EDT 2000
  
  I think Bharathiyar songs sound nicer when they are set purely classical. They don't sound so great when played light or pop. May be it is because I give Bharathi's songs more of a classic status than the contemporary songs.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 63.203.255.254) on: Sun Aug 13 11:54:41 EDT 2000
  
  one more example haris - "Devan thantha veenai".... from "Unnai Naan Santhi thaeen"..... this was a kannadasan song used long after his death....
  
  vijay i don't think 'Kanne Kalaaimaane' is a metukku pattu..... i remember reading that IR has told the mettu and Kannadasan gave the lyrics spontaneously just before leaving to US - that was his last song.....
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 63.203.255.254) on: Sun Aug 13 11:56:04 EDT 2000
  
  oops..... read 'Kanne Kalaaimaane' is a pattukku mettu.....
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Sun Aug 13 16:43:01 EDT 2000
  
  i felt that he was not at his natural flow in the songs of bharathi...
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Aug 13 16:47:24 EDT 2000
  
  Bharathi's songs have nothing to do with paatukku mettu. these days even for mettukku paatu situations IR has tuned songs only like these. So we need better examples to analyse..
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Sun Aug 13 18:58:16 EDT 2000
  
  please pay close attention to how raaja has fused many charaNams of bArathiyAr songs in to one to give them a wholeness. listen especially to the last charaNam of ninnai charaNadaindhEn and the two charaNams of kELadA. listen to manadhil uRudhi vENdum of sindhubhairavi.
  
  
• From: kutty (@ 136.206.35.10) on: Mon Aug 14 04:52:25 EDT 2000
  
  Hey this sounds utter stupid saying abt IR
  
  I think u all know abt Hey Ram,.....Compostion
  
  after the whole stuff been completed....what more
  
  than this pls...
  
  
• From: AMAL (@ 203.199.220.12) on: Thu Aug 17 01:59:35 EDT 2000
  
  another way to bring down IR name no chance.
  THE SOUL OF BHARATYIYAR WOULD HAVE REJOICED AFTER LISTENING TO "BHARATHI".
  
  
• From: AMALRAJ (@ 203.199.220.12) on: Thu Aug 17 01:59:46 EDT 2000
  
  another way to bring down IR name no chance.
  THE SOUL OF BHARATYIYAR WOULD HAVE REJOICED AFTER LISTENING TO "BHARATHI".
  
  
• From: darul (@ 136.206.35.10) on: Thu Aug 17 07:23:31 EDT 2000
  
  Great Amaraj!
  Nice Reply....Good enthu
  
  
• From: Arun (@ ) on: Tue Mar 6 02:06:59 EST 2001
  
  how is rehman diff from raja
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Tue Mar 6 08:40:40 EST 2001
  
  "Pothi Vacha Mallikikai Mottu" from Man Vaasanai was composed after the lyrics was written by VM. VM mentioned this in one interview.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Tue Mar 6 09:18:42 EST 2001
  
  Why unnecessaryly bring Rehman here. If the issue is about IR then let IR be the center of talk. For or against talk from IR's perspective. The question is "Is IR weak in Pattukku - Mettu ??".
  Lets stick with IR only. Also, ARR fans, please do not take advantage of this situation and bring in arguments favour of him.
  This is a nice thread, a diiferent one , lets probe and find what is true.
  
  
• From: Veriyan (@ 202.188.196.83) on: Tue Mar 6 09:25:41 EST 2001
  
  Answer to question: YES, undoubtedly.
  Ignore Arularacan, he is a FANATIC. For him IR cannot do no wrong.
  IR was only good in the 80s. He should retire gracefully instead of spoiling his name.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Tue Mar 6 09:59:58 EST 2001
  
  "Sivanai kooda pithan endru pesukindra oorada"
  
  Ithukku IR mattum vitivilakka enna?
  
  Let me ask you guys "how do you know the information that how many songs were composed for after songs have been written". I mean, this is for any composer. Except the songs of some deceased poets, no body knows know much on this. So, I feel, this topic does not have any value but brought in as just another attempt to pull down the image of a MD.
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Tue Mar 6 10:20:16 EST 2001
  
  Veriyan,
  >>IR was only good in the 80s. He should retire gracefully instead of spoiling his name.<<
  
  how relevant is this crap to this thread ???
  
  Why do u guys come and spoil what cud become a good discussion....
  
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Tue Mar 6 14:03:34 EST 2001
  
  Pothi Vacha Mallikikai Mottu" from Man Vaasanai was composed after the lyrics was written by VM
  More or less explains the change in raaga and the unconventional twist to the tune in the line 'athu koodhAthu...' in the charaNam. As far the process of melody composing is concerned, there is nothing more exciting than a composer of calibre being challenged by 'metreless' lyrics.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Mar 6 17:06:50 EST 2001
  
  "As far the process of melody composing is concerned, there is nothing more exciting than a composer of calibre being challenged by 'metreless' lyrics"
  It could be a challenge, but if the lyricist is bad or the MD does not care this could be a curse. Maybe in popular music, people may not notice the subtle changes in the melody line. Even then it will have repercussions like people not remembering/recounting the melody.
  
  Coming back to the topic, after listening to IR all these years I think, he is better off unfettered by lyrics or rhythm (IMHO) (Now this should start of some flame war :)) . Although at times I have yearned for lyrics of the calibre of kavignar's.
  
  (Was VM throwing too many challenges like this ? :) :))
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Wed Mar 7 21:12:49 EST 2001
  
  Pattukku - Mettu
  
  Lyricist can circulate some of his previously written poems. (Lighter sense).
  
  MDs creativity is constrained to compose for the written lyrics.
  
  Still worse, composing for a film shot.
  
  
  Mettukku - Pattu
  MD can circulate some of his previously composed tunes. This is convenient for MDs as they can compose tunes during their spare time. And songs are driven by catchy music these days than the lyrics.This is fine as who cares to listen or let listen to lyrics these days.
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 09:16:42 EST 2001
  
  FYI
  KVM has always composed Mettu for a Paattu.
  He has never done it in other way. He himself has said it in one TV interview long before (infact an interpreter said what KVM wanted to convey - KVM could not speak much on his old age). I don't know whether KVM is alive or not.
  
  He has bagged atleast one NA - film is Sankarabaranam
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Thu Mar 8 10:28:20 EST 2001
  
  KVM won for kandhan karunai.
  
  Did he win for Shankarabharanam ? I know SPB did ? But did KVM ?
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Thu Mar 8 10:29:16 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  KVM is very much alive. One thing I noticed is that he had used some of IR's tunes for his songs in Telugu films during the last 10-15 years. He would score original music if it were to be K.Vishwanath's film or few others but for some films of hero Balakrishna and others he has used the tunes of popular IR's hits.
  
  I have a strong feeling that both KVM and IR don't mind it. They have a good understanding between them. It is probably the way of KVM's acceptance that IR is the LayaRaaju (Raaja of Tunes).
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 10:36:13 EST 2001
  
  Good news that KVM is alive.
  Yes, he got one for sankarabhaaraman.
  Anybody, please confirm and excuse me if I am wrong.
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Thu Mar 8 11:59:01 EST 2001
  
  Yes, he did get the NA for Sankarabharanam. In fact, Naushad had said that it is the only film in which all the tunes were purely classical (Carnatic!!!) ones.
  
  
• From: Kripa (@ 210.214.135.196) on: Wed Mar 14 04:33:38 EST 2001
  
  I can understand postings in favour of IRs patukku mettu, but Nalla mettu is still questionable.
  
  Compared to the old stalwarts his tunes for written songs were AVERAGE and sometimes below. That was the reason why 'horse trading' producers who ran after him in huge crowds, made him to compose {atleast} a variety of tunes, for lyricists to break their heads and ?compose words which were neither kavithai nor speech set to music. This was exactly the reason why the Great Kannadasan was sidelined and Vairamuthu was introduced and sidelined again in his turn. This happens as the order of the day.
  
  Can you ever think of the mood which lyricist created and MDs like MSV, KVM and VK composed with a feel for the lyrical beauty, when compared to IRs ?melody for which words were composed?
  
  In such a situation you can only get lyrics like "Aatha (mother) Aathorama vaariya", "Madhani(sister in law) Madhani Machan illiya?"-Kadal Puraakal, as a height of eccentricity from the ?maestro of ?symphony (? is it the multicrore investment of RR in Hey Ram).
  
  

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