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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Jun 12 11:47:36 EDT 2001

try this,
(set the pitch bend to 2 notes per slide)

play pa without the bend,
now jump to sa,
but you do this by jumping on to re note slide the bend down to sa, this is small gamakaam exercise try for other notes also

Like in veena we pull the string up and down to get the next note.
From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Jun 12 11:56:50 EDT 2001

ehari email me for questions,
OK, Guys, get back to topic :)
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Tue Jun 12 11:57:01 EDT 2001

hari: Subbudu (who is incidentally a very good harmonium player) wanted to learn this aspect of the Keyboards and I believe, Karthick Raja taught him the nuances. Regarding keyboards, while I know some, I will let Swamiji, Comment, NJebaraj, or Kiru take over.
From: LV (@ 203.197.82.4) on: Tue Jun 12 12:11:37 EDT 2001

dear rajaG:
I dont know the technicalities of CCm. However I HAVE heard several Carnatic performances. Yes, not those ragas but others.

And I never commented badly about CCM. How many times must I tell u this? Others said sth. silly about HCm, and ur silence thereupon only surprises me.
From: LV (@ 203.199.130.113) on: Tue Jun 12 12:15:45 EDT 2001

dear aruLaracan:

1)Hats off to u for ur wonderful site on maestro Illayaraja. However just one complaint. The link for Raaga-wise listing of songs does NOT work. If u have the same, could u please e-mail it to me at lvlvlv@indiatimes.com. Also Mr Eden had once e-mailed me an Excel spreadsheet containing 1000 stars by IR. I've deleted it by mistake. Could u e-mail me that too.

2)If u dont mind, is ur name aruLaracan or aruLarasan :-)
From: LV (@ 203.199.130.113) on: Tue Jun 12 12:17:07 EDT 2001

dear Mr Comment:

Could u please e-mail me the list of 30 new things by MSV and 10 new things by V Kumar. (I've given my e-mail id here)
From: LV (@ 203.197.81.30) on: Tue Jun 12 12:54:21 EDT 2001

to all:

I heard IR had created a raaga with only 3 swaras. Could anybody tell me the details of this new raaga, please!
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Tue Jun 12 13:14:58 EDT 2001

LV: You have heard several concerts in CCM but have never heard of thOdi or bairavi? ummmmmm... must be those made for TV and "fashionable" jugalbandhis:-)
From: LV (@ 203.197.81.30) on: Tue Jun 12 13:17:17 EDT 2001

dear RajaG:

Of course I have heard bhairavi-come on. I only have not heard rethigowali. I havent heard hanumathodi - specifically. I HAVE heard other raagas. And 'fashionable jugalbandhis' ?????
What do u mean by that?
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Tue Jun 12 13:20:42 EDT 2001

LV: BTW, my silence doesn't necessarily mean I agree. However, I have expressly stated that I agree with what Sugrutha wrote.

Comment: LV is absolutely right. You keep wavering on your opinion on HFM and IR with no basis. It is very difficult to maintain your credibility if you continue to do this.
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Tue Jun 12 13:24:05 EDT 2001

LV: So you have heard bairavi is it? NOT the HCM bairavi but the CCM bairavi which incidentally is quite different. What Krithi have you heard in it. Just FYI, Hindusthani Sri (rendered by Kishori Amonkar) is totally different from CCM Sri which is a different type of vakra raagam
From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Jun 12 13:32:42 EDT 2001

since the postings are time based postings, like one talks the history and one talks the something later (music during ir times)
1. hindi folks dont know much ir's music ,
and the generation (majority) of people used to ir's work in tamil might have not heard hindi songs (for that matter old tamil songs also),
(eg: shanker Jaikishen was trashed here just for the heck of it.)

this is what i wanted to convey.
if it looks like it is contradictory, i cannot help it. two were posted under different context, LV is confusing.

i still maintain hindi songs in the 80's follow a formulae cerated by LP, which sucks big time.
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Tue Jun 12 13:33:51 EDT 2001

I have always maintained that both genres of musicians can benefit by cross-training. The CCM musicians to gain better breath control, voice training and experimentation with sequencing and the HCM musicians to get the finer nuances of the raagams and swaram singing. I once heard KJY sing Charukesi on DD, with shades of HCM, and it sounded beutiful. Someone later told me that he was taking Hindusthani lessons from TVG. A lot Chennai-based playback singers have also supposedly taken HCM classes with TVG. Parveen Sulthana apparently sounds different and her swaram delivery has become more pronounced and confident after her lessons from Semmangudi. This comment came to me from a Baroda-based music student.

There is no use in attacking me for saying CCM is richer, it is better to also see what I am conveying about the benefits of cross-training.
From: LV (@ 203.197.81.30) on: Tue Jun 12 13:58:10 EDT 2001

>>>>>Afterall Hindusthani music was created to accompany the wining and dining times. So there is langour and luxury, but lacks a certain spark and punch<<<

How true indeed!!!! Bla bla bla bla!!!
Since this is a TFM forum, such a thing will not be criticised - so be it!! Thats NOT the right thing anyway.

RajaG:
Since Kishori and BalamuraliKrishna both have categorically stated that saying one is RICHER than the other is foolish (and they are both definitely more qualified than you??) then why the HELL are u supporting such an absurd claim.
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Jun 12 14:24:27 EDT 2001

LV: raajangahm.com is not MY effort (alone). there is a big group of fans of ir who are behind it. regarding the links of some the songs, let me pass it on to the webmaster. >>>>>Afterall Hindusthani music was created to accompany the wining and dining times. So there is langour and luxury, but lacks a certain spark and punch<<< How true indeed!!!! Bla bla bla bla!!! Since this is a TFM forum, such a thing will not be criticised - so be it!! have you ever heard of this like prithvirAj rAsO?

hari: Just curious.. is there any artist whos done this to any degree of sophistication? listen to the samples provided by mOhan aiyer. search for the mOhan aiyer on google and listen to his bEgada and sahana.
From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Tue Jun 12 17:23:34 EDT 2001

>>>The CCM musicians to gain better breath control, voice training and experimentation with sequencing and the HCM musicians to get the finer nuances of the raagams and swaram singing. <<<

This is great ! But cite one example of a popular Hindi playback artiste learning Carnatic...if KJY and others are learning Hindutani - they know which side of the bread is buttered.
From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Tue Jun 12 17:24:15 EDT 2001

Sorry...Hindutani > Hindustani
From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Jun 12 20:22:06 EDT 2001

Cosmician:

This is great ! But cite one example of a popular Hindi playback artiste learning Carnatic...if KJY and others are learning Hindutani - they know which side of the bread is buttered

It is a dangerous statmeent which would lead to unnecessary debates on the "openness" of North and south Indians. It would detrack some probable good discussion here. BTW, please be assured that voice culture in HCM is wayyyyyy too emphatic than compared to carnatic. SO if carnatic musicians are interested in learning it to improve their vocal abilities I think there is nothing wrong. They may not be really "open-minded" to receive hindustani but plain "selfish".
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Tue Jun 12 23:10:52 EDT 2001

aruL,

"have you ever heard of this like prithvirAj rAsO?" I am afraid I am not understanding you here.
From: lv (@ 203.199.129.9) on: Wed Jun 13 12:12:13 EDT 2001

rspected aruLaracan (aruLarasan ????)

Yes but could u please give me the 1000 stars by IR. Eden had given it to me, but I deleted it by mistake from my account. Sorry to trouble u.
My email id is lvlvlv@indiatimes.com
From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Wed Jun 13 13:14:22 EDT 2001

LV,
BTW, what is 1000 stars by IR?.
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.159.71) on: Wed Jun 13 13:43:55 EDT 2001

lv: respect ellAm koduththu ALa azichchuRAdhInga :-). my name is aruLaracan (http://psiphi.umsl.edu/rajan/transliteration.html ). i don't have eden's collection of IR's 1000 great comps. please write to eden.

sugruthA: there were few kings who needed good music for their nocturnal activities. prithvirAj was one of such well known kings. i wouldn't be surprised if tAnsEn had to do such menial job too. hey, but that was india, that was monarchy (and we are treading in to too hot a zone to handle :-) ).
From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Wed Jun 13 14:11:41 EDT 2001

ragaG,
IR did 'kaatril enthan geetham, kaaNaatha onRai" in Hindusthani style and 'KeeravaaNi, iRavilE pagalilE' in Carnatic style. Both in Keeravani raagam. Both are beautiful. Frankly I have not heard Keeravani so applealingly presented in any classical concert - in either genres. But SPB's humming and swaram in the latter song - in the introduction and between the pallavi and first charanam - that is the distinction. In Hindusthani, the ragam winds in sequences seeking limits but not there, as you said - throughout the interpretation. The unique phrases belonging to the ragams are not delivered with punch. That is why one feels a little let down at the end. 'subjectkku vaangayya'nnu kaththaNum pOla irukkum. In Carnatic, the limits are constantly touched in flashes and the phrases are introduced in intervals with emphasis. athu niRaivA irukku.
From: eden (@ 210.214.5.247) on: Thu Jun 14 02:04:26 EDT 2001

lv, please check your mail for the list of IR's 1000 stars.

UVII, it's a list of `1000 good, hit songs by IR' (good means no vulgar songs, like ponmEni or Eh Atha; listed by DF'ers in a thread and put into excel sheet)
From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Jun 14 11:23:54 EDT 2001

Eden:
Thanks for explaining. Can you send the list to me also?. TIA.
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Jun 14 21:46:25 EDT 2001

eden:
Your 1000's list was of help to me. I have collected some 150 - 200 songs of IR in MP3 format. Of course, I did not download it from net. I would like to know where, in net can I get a smooth download of MP3 of IR (also ARR....for my sake).?
I have tried MP3.com. but only new songs are there. I would like to get songs prior to 1990.
From: eden (@ 210.214.5.211) on: Fri Jun 15 05:26:25 EDT 2001

CF, I may be able to send MP3 CD copies if you e-mail me, as I'm no good in net-searching:-)) One of my colleagues has practically all that ARR has released in TF on MP3:-))

inisai, check ur mail box.
From: Travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Fri Jun 15 07:30:47 EDT 2001

Dear Eden
Can u please send me the list of 1000 IR songs also?
Thank You.
From: Travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Fri Jun 15 07:34:17 EDT 2001

CF,
I had chanced upon a site called www.mohankumars.com sometime back and they had a fantastic collection of raja.. Its been a while...
but check it out.
From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Fri Jun 15 10:58:55 EDT 2001

now there it goes,
after talking about music for days, people still dont want to buy music..hmmm.
From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Fri Jun 15 11:19:04 EDT 2001

eden,
Thanks for the sending the xcel file. I think it is getting more popular here, so it would be easy for you to host it in some site. So that people can go and download form there, instead of you sending email to everyone.
From: LV (@ 203.197.81.142) on: Fri Jun 15 12:29:43 EDT 2001

mr eden

Do u have similar sheets of KVM and MSV /MSV-TKR also?
From: Venkatesh (@ ) on: Sun Jul 29 02:57:10 EDT 2001

Dear Eden

Can you please mail me the 1000 songs of IR? TIA.
From: Anil Nanda (@ ) on: Wed Dec 26 15:46:30 EST 2001

I am interested in all the songs where Music was provided by the Late Shree C.RAMCHANDRA.I personally think he was one of the greatest Music Directors of the last Century.
From: Anil Nanda (@ 195.93.33.174) on: Wed Dec 26 15:48:07 EST 2001

I am interested in all the songs where Music was provided by the Late Shree C.RAMCHANDRA.I personally think he was one of the greatest Music Directors of the last Century.

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