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How much effort do Tamil MD's put into scoring Background music?

Topic started by Theepan (@ 209.197.169.47) on Thu May 8 11:45:25 EDT 2003.
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Since all the effort is put on developing songs... there is less effort by MDs in Background Music,,, many mds would agree with me..

If we demand better BGM; they would deliver;;;

Compared to Hollywood; tamil films don't come even close to the scores created by hollywood composers...

so, if the films in tamil are to sound cinematic and dramatic to our years; we need to demand better BGM.

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• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Thu May 29 06:18:34 EDT 2003
  
  pennathur:
  
  Nice observation.
  
  I am of the strong opinion like yours as BGM should not swallow the scene. IR has done umpteen number of times, but at the same time his BGM has made a ordinary scene into a memorable one.
  But generally I feel that most of the Indian films have ear splitting BGms which people in west hate to hear.
  
  Fire is a great example that you quoted, 1947 is also a great example as like Iruvar. But ARR need to do a lot in BGM. He gives his best to only good films. KKKK is a great example.
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 208.147.1.2) on: Thu May 29 07:04:16 EDT 2003
  
  pennathur:
  
  Here we go again! IR copied kanavu kanum from KA. That has been repeated by you IR-bashers ad nauseum.
  
  Of course, you are certainly more knowledgeable and cinematic than Balachander, Bharathiraja, Bhagyaraj, Maniratnam, Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Sridhar et al, correct? All these guys chose IR for their movies knowing fully well that his BGM will mess up the film and no one will remember the movie anymore. They made movies with IR's BGM with that express purpose.
  
  Have you heard of Mancini, by the way?
  
  Are Yaar:
  
  Any BGM by ARR has to be great, right? Out of the, what, 50 odd movies that ARR has scored music for, you have, in one nonchalant sentence credited him with three? You are, of course, sort of repentant in the next couple of sentences. GOod job.
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Thu May 29 09:21:44 EDT 2003
  
  Vandicholai Chinraasu,
  
  Have you heard JW in The Graduate? As for Holst and Planet Suite let's play it one after the other with Star Wars and see what's happening. Please don't brandish empty threats. Incidentally do you know that Holst was inspired by what he heard (second hand) about Vedic chants? If you want to learn about BGM watch the Gautam Ghose movie "The Music of Satyajit Ray". There's a quite a bit that even IR could learn from it. IR isn't the first or last composer in India to score his music and produce those by now shopworn counterpoints, inverse counterpoints, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (which from reading TFM seems to be all that there is to WCM). As I said earlier do listen to a few other composers with a fresh mind to appreciate the true range of BGM.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 29 10:12:31 EDT 2003
  
  pennathur and ambleen(vandicholai chinraasu),
  Enna ketta rendu perum maathi mathi itha paaru atha paaru solrathukku bathila ozhunga poi oru "Theniasai Thendral" Deva padam paarunga..athulla neenga solra ella BGM'um irukkum..he he..
  
  
• From: kum (@ 203.208.155.150) on: Thu May 29 14:42:04 EDT 2003
  
  Are Yaar
  
  If its strong for ur ears, we still dont follow western style of mixing BGM and using digital projector in theatres. IR did what is necessary to improve the scene. People like penathur are judging based on hearing poor quality sounds,i guess.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Thu May 29 23:02:39 EDT 2003
  
  "pennathur:
  
  Nice observation.
  
  Pennathur:
  
  Thanks for this interesting info."
  
  
  Are Yaar,
  
  These are the posts that you ridicule with thru 'out the newtfmpage history. Interestingly enuf, all these jib comes after somebody who thinks he/she has pointed out something negative abt IR.
  
  Well my dear fren, u r so pathetic. Go and carry on your orgy with the few who you used to tap on each other's back. What happened to them that now you have to piggyback onto someone who u think is anti-IR? All ran away? What happened to that TOTALLY CRAP piece of constellation thread where you pathetics started for ARR? Nothing else to talk abt ARR??
  
  Pathetic fools.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 30 06:22:28 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen:
  
  You are at your best of barking...keep shouting man...I like it...chellam...you obey your master very well...great man..(sorry...great...d**)
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Fri May 30 07:22:38 EDT 2003
  
  AY, Enna sangath thalavi, padhavi Par(an)ipoyuduchaa!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 155.69.5.223) on: Fri May 30 10:32:14 EDT 2003
  
  Are Yaar,
  
  And you are at best when writing crap. Keep doing too as all of us get entertained and even more so when good sane ppl come to rip you apart.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 155.69.5.223) on: Fri May 30 10:51:48 EDT 2003
  
  pennathur,
  
  The Graduate is not by John Williams. It's by Simon & Garfunkel. Paper Chase is by John Williams. However, I would rather wait till you listen to The Planets and King's Row before we carry on. You still have not answered to what I have mentioned and you are just trying to thump IR down for no reason. Only psychos like Are Yaar and Paran(there were a few more but vanished into oblivion just like ARR's music) would take pleasure in that.
  
  Before you mention IR can learn a thing or two, check other garbages. Advice them.
  
  That's all.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Fri May 30 14:58:30 EDT 2003
  
  http://us.imdb.com/Title?0061722
  
  Just throw around terms, quote arcane composers, claim to have met every musician (and his brothers) under the sun ('cept the ONE) and people will be so overawed by your in-depth knowledge of musical idiom. And type at least 20 pages a day...
  
  Hey, no need to check your facts, coz who can dare question you. And if someone has the temerity, you can always call them names to shut them up.
  
  I can understand preferences - I like Rahman better, I like Raja better is perfectly fine. I can even understand dislike - I hate Raja is perfectly fine - I respect your choice. But then, I cant stand People that hate someone so much that the hatred almost defines them, but can't accept it and believe that readers are so naive, they cant see through posts that go "X is great, but everything X does is so awful I cant stand it". Oh boy, how stupid doth he think we are...
  
  
  
• From: Exhibit #1 (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Fri May 30 15:01:17 EDT 2003
  
  From: pennathur (@ ) on: Sun Sep 17 00:40:50 EDT 2000
  
  
  Don't rubbish Deva guys. HE's a slogger. The man has fought every inch of the way to reach here. His music has enormous range and diversity. Forget what he lifts. Everyone does. Have you listened to IR's "Kanavu kaanum kangal yaavum.." in Niingal Keetavai? It is lifted from a song in Upkaar (Starring Manoj Kumar with the great Kalyanji Anandji's music from the late 1960s).
  
  Deva's Annamalai and Keeravaani's Vaaname Ellai is what paved the way for ARR's hurricane entrance with Roja that Vaigaasi Porandaachu is a classic.
  
  Gimme the opening percussion ensemble in "Naan autokkaran.." in Badshah or "Pulveli.." in Aasai or "Kavalai padaada sahodara..". Let the guy compose whenever he wants to and not be forced to fill in for the role that IR used to play-churning out mindless mush like "ennamma kannu.." and you will see even better stuff coming out. And Deva is the Gaana man. Urban grunge of TN.
  
  Long live Devs
  Deva's Annamalai and Keeravaani's Vaaname Ellai is what paved the way for ARR's hurricane entrance with Roja that Vaigaasi Porandaachu is a classic.
  
  Gimme the opening percussion ensemble in "Naan autokkaran.." in Badshah or "Pulveli.." in Aasai or "Kavalai padaada sahodara..". Let the guy compose whenever he wants to and not be forced to fill in for the role that IR used to play-churning out mindless mush like "ennamma kannu.." and you will see even better stuff coming out. And Deva is the Gaana man. Urban grunge of TN.
  
  Long live Devs
  
  
• From: Exhibit #2 (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Fri May 30 15:02:50 EDT 2003
  
  From: pennathur (@ 63.14.100.62) on: Sun Sep 17 15:41:11 EDT 2000
  
  
  Dei mottai. Mudiyoda un muulLaiyum erakkitte pola irukku!
  
  Aaana enna seyuthu. "Ivvaluvudaan ulagam ivvaluvuthan" (Manorama in a record song in Paattum Bharathamum)
  
  
• From: Exhibit #3 (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Fri May 30 15:03:12 EDT 2003
  
  From: pennathur (@ ) on: Sun Sep 17 02:16:28 EDT 2000
  
  
  Yuvan Shankar replacement for ARR. ARRE YAAR!! Get a life!!
  
  Yuvan shd first learn to play some straight music. Then teach his upstart brother to sing straight. And then we can see about overtaking ARR. When the father himself can't stand the heat from ARR - the kids. You've got to be kidding!!
  
  
• From: Observer (@ 66.101.192.86) on: Sat May 31 00:39:54 EDT 2003
  
  Pennathur,
  
  Ambleen has really disected your post almost word for word very smartly. Hope you can answer back fairly and not disappear like others do.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.125.142.128) on: Sat May 31 06:12:43 EDT 2003
  
  Where is PUnnathur (PUNN = Wound). He wounded very badly by ambleen/karthik)?
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 66.176.161.67) on: Sat May 31 10:19:57 EDT 2003
  
  He'll probably wait until these go away into old responses, and then come back and start afresh again. And, what do you think the odds are that he'll bring up Kalyanji-Anandji-Upkaar-Kanavu Kanum copy again?
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.125.142.128) on: Sat May 31 20:02:18 EDT 2003
  
  in the mean time, Mr."Nice observation" can fill in the void:)
  
  
• From: TruthaboutPatherpanchali (@ 196.12.48.184) on: Sun Jun 1 05:12:03 EDT 2003
  
  Pennathur
  You would be interested to know that Ray himself was sorely disappointed with Ravishankar's BGM in Pather Panchali.
  But then, you would quote anything to bring down IR, wouldnt you?
  
  
  
• From: Biju (@ 136.181.195.25) on: Mon Jun 2 08:51:28 EDT 2003
  
  pennathur,
  Please come out from hiding and type your paragraphs..:))
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Jun 5 21:09:42 EDT 2003
  
  He is (stereo)typing in another thread!
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Fri Jun 6 16:05:51 EDT 2003
  
  Hi All,
  
  To me, its almost a lost art in movies(BGM) when it comes to current crop of MDs.
  
  I dont know why something in west is considered to be the best? To me, "few" of the big hit western (especially "hollywood") movies are just hi-tech Indian masala movies.
  
  People who appreciate "quality" western movies and music go to movies like Dhool, Run, Saami, Dum(??) and make it a big hit and let down some artistic Indian movies. There is no point in watching "masala movies" and crib about Indian movie industry. Bengalis and Malayalis appreciate good movies to get some good movies. I wonder whether Satyajit Ray would have existed, if he had made tamil, telegu or hindi movies.
  
  To me, when it comes to BGM (in India, for sure), IR is the one who can make a great "positive" impact to a movie with his BGM. He brings in some kind of a mood to the movie (even in Touser rajan and 'mike mohan' movies, they are lucky guys), which unfortunately not one of the current composers have done.
  
  ARR is worst of the current crop of good composers (HJ, VS are the others), sometimes he does not compose the BGM for movies and someone does it for him (if he does, he gives out things like Bombay, Iruvar). I dont remember even one of his movies for BGM, though I like listening to his songs. I think its better for ARR to bring out music albums than being a music director for films, because he doesnt fit into a film music director. His songs can be used in the movie in "right" places by the director of the movie. Most of his songs are out of sync with the movie (Kannathil Muthamittal is an exception).
  He is very good when it comes to generating a good song 7/10 times (though lately he is not good at generating a bad song 9/10 times).
  
  I will see IR movies like Mugam, Mouna ragam, Johnny, Nayagan, Devar magan, Salangai Oli, Guna etc., Michael Madhana Kama Rajan, Unnal Mudiyum Thambi, Aboorva Sahotharargal, Agni Natchathiram. I cant say the same for most of the Indian MD. He has an impact even in a comedy movie like MMKR, Arangetra velai with some funny background score which are remembered. Even Crazy Mohan used IRs BGMs in his serials (notably Here is crazy from the movie Tik Tik Tik and My dear kuttichathan).
  
  I dont think IR music is worse than some of the movies of the west. Though not better than some top notch BGMs of the west.
  
  I think IR has the potential to give quality music than some decent music he is shelling out now, if he has some good artistic movie to work with and he does not finish things in a hurry (as he is been doing for sometime).
  
  I dont think his works will be appreciated well as it should be, because he is in a land where few appreciate one of the sophisiticated music systems in the world : Carnatic, let alone his music.
  
  V
  
  
• From: V (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Fri Jun 6 16:09:41 EDT 2003
  
  the "(though lately he is not good at generating a bad song 9/10 times). "
  
  should be
  
  (though lately he is good at generating a bad song 9/10 times).
  
  V
  
  
  

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