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Kuppai Songs of ARR

Topic started by Kaveri (@ 12.92.216.134) on Sun Mar 25 16:58:09 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Although each and every song was claimed by himself and his fans as his best effort.

There are lots of Kuppai from him. I'd like to pick up some kuppai effort from him.

1.Kathirikka Kathirikka, 2.Rukkumani Rukkumani, 3.Parotta Parotta 4.pathikkichu pathikichu 5.Jumbalakka jumbalakka.... etc.,

Its looks like Irattai Kilavi doesn't suit for ARR.

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.70) on: Sun Apr 15 06:00:27 EDT 2001
  
  Maybe true...Kiru...
  
  But this doesn't mean that IR had to compromise on rhythm...I still remember as a kid , I heard "O maina maina (or something like that)" from Koli Koovuthu I think on radio...It sounded so pleasant and the flute fill ins were so beautiful that they still stay in mind..at that age I was not aware of IR or MSV but that song stayed bcos of its balance between rhythm and melody....this song also had the pauses used by ARR today that had so captivated Manitratnam and inspired him to sign him for Roja....
  
  ..IR has stopped his rhythm innovativeness these days.....maybe he's fed up of commercial music......one more rhythmic and melodic of IR that i remember from those days..."Thaalatuthe Vaanam" and the song "Thendral vanthu ennai thodu".....
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.166.87.215) on: Sun Apr 15 23:30:13 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician..when I meant rhythm ..I mean rhythm in the sense of the percussion/bass arrangements. Novelty in the choice of instruments here is what ARR concentrates. With IR he is quite happy if he comes up with a new beat/pattern. But as far as I know he has exhausted drums/tabla/mridhangam in isolation or in combination. ARR used synth drum kits in rOja for a new sound. Though agninatchathiram had synth drum kit IR never went back to it (technology was not great at that time).
  Rhythm can be in the way the notes are played itself (as far as I understand). How else can WCM masters compositions be called rhythmic ? (which did not have any percussion).
  In recent, commercial work, kanna unai thEdugirEn had a good pacy song by IR. It was a traditional IR song but with synth instruments for a new sound. (it has bass, guitar vibes, drums). BTW. I have a CD of KJY hits. Absolutely fantastic. Its just that the percussion is recorded low in IR songs. You need to boost your bass and little treble to hear the tambourine, bells/triangles etc.
  IMHO, IR songs would be more commercially successful if they had better recording. They sound fine on high-end equipment but they need to be balanced for consumer equipment.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.70) on: Mon Apr 16 07:05:06 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Kiru....sorry I meant the beats and drum rhythms too...forgive my amteurish explanation....
  
  true...IR didn't go back to the synth drums after AN......actually AN was what got me totally hooked onto music and made me aware of IR and film music itself...
  
  I get the feeling that IR was being pressurized by Maniratinam for "Thalapathi" to compose more in lines of ad commercial music...maybe he had even played ARR's demo tape to IR and asked for something like that....I say this bcos in "Thalapathi" you find IR's music more reductionist (less number of instruments) - what Maniratnam loves to do with his visuals and dialogues also...After Thalapathi, you don't find IR going back to the breakthru he had made in the "Thalapathi" score..
  
  If u ask me...."Thalapathi" not "Roja" was the actual turning point in TFM...."Roja" merely stated what was foreshadowed in "Thalapathi"...I found a lot of similarity in "Rakkama Kaiya Thatthu" and "Rukumani Rukumani" - the "pauses", "finger snap sounds" used at least....
  
  "Thalapathi" score had set the stage for the future to take over and ARR did that in style after 2 years....
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.70) on: Mon Apr 16 07:14:26 EDT 2001
  
  Actually when "Thalapathi" was released on Diwali day of 1991...."Rakkama" was played on DD and an IR interview was also played on the same day in which IR states "today I'm famous, tomorrow it'll be somebody else, times change"......he had also said that "music is just seven notes and their combination".....did IR have a premonition about winds of change in the TF industry...?
  
  HCIR fans : No need for any arguement on my speculation ..."maybe he had even played ARR's demo tape to IR"....it could have been the other way round....Thalapathi's score could have inspired ARR, who being an ad professional would have definitely conducted research on Maniratnam's previous films for the kind of music and the impact they would have made.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Apr 16 11:25:08 EDT 2001
  
  rukkumani was inspired by rakkamma kaiya thattu for sure (in format) !!
  Anyways, if you look closely at IR's music you would see many turning points. And ARR for example, can never (IMO) emulate previous ManiRatnam movie music..for eg. pUmAlaiyE thOL sEravA in pagal nilavu.
  IR does not follow a formula/thumb rule, ARR does. This is the reason you can never tell where the change occured in IR's work.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Apr 16 11:37:44 EDT 2001
  
  BTW, thaLapathi, is richly orchestrated. I dont see it 'reductionist' (?)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Tue Apr 17 02:07:42 EDT 2001
  
  When I say reductionist....I meant that only a few instruments dominate...for eg. in the "Rakkamma" song....Violins (though they say 50) were used..and the pauses in the voices...beats...finger snaps...were a total deviations from IR's standard composing style....
  Also the song "Kaatukuyile"?....the whole song was just drums....very innovative.....
  Of course..."Sundari" was a full-fledged classic IR piece...but even that avoided all the old cliches usually employed...
  I think Maniratnam was trying to push IR's limits in this film and IR too graciously accepted the challenge but they have definitely had some differences...like maybe MR asking for too much westernization or asking for a synth sound which IR may not have liked...
  
  
• From: ajay (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Tue Apr 17 02:50:39 EDT 2001
  
  All Songs in Thenali are kuppai
  
  
• From: IR RASIGAN (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Tue Apr 17 06:22:36 EDT 2001
  
  all songs in thenali are kuppai ? ...mm ....
  PADAYAPA vum than !!!!
  rahman punnaku !
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Tue Apr 17 06:51:22 EDT 2001
  
  IR Rasigan and Ajay...Please substantiate your statements.....better to say "IMO"...if you find it difficult to express in words your feelings, then think how much more it is difficult to make quality music...before putting anybody down better have strong reasons to back such statements
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Tue Apr 17 06:53:52 EDT 2001
  
  Anyway this is a Kuppai thread to begin with IMO
  
  
• From: hcir fan (@ 202.139.118.253) on: Wed Apr 18 18:06:12 EDT 2001
  
  Can someone start a new thread on ''Kuppai Songs of IR'';there will be countless!!!!!
  
  
• From: Tamil Listener (@ 202.139.118.253) on: Wed Apr 18 18:20:57 EDT 2001
  
  Welldone HCIR fans. You have shown the fighting spirits on this thread dedicated to ARR.You all are like vultures looking for prey.
  What have you all got to about ARR winning the Coca-cola Filmfare award as the best MD.I'm sure you all can think of something to run down ARR for winning the award.Afterall as Indians(particularly Tamilians) should show the fighting spirit.
  There is a good saying ''Together we stand, With Indians we fall''!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.47) on: Wed Apr 18 22:30:39 EDT 2001
  
  Tamil listener and hcir fan, i hope you are aware that somebody else uses your computer with a different name. Just make sure that both your system id won't match...
  
  
• From: hcARRfan (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Thu Apr 19 07:34:05 EDT 2001
  
  @ 202.139.118.253
  
  PLS DON BE MORON & A MATHAFARKER AT THE SAME TIME.
  ONE AT A TIME WILL DO.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 19 10:59:38 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  I think I get your point..But somehow I feel that IR always has been doing 'different' style songs all the time..For eg. Kadhalukku mariyadhai songs, Ayiram kOdi in karisak..k p, vandheMataram in bArathi etc.. What is special about thaLapathi was it was recorded very well. I am told IR got a very high salary for that. Also, IR comes up with cool stuff if he is encouraged and given a free hand. For eg. Guru in malayAlam. mohanlal gave him a spare-no-cost carte-blance to him. And I think that movie is one of the masterpieces of IR.
  
  
• From: IsaiPriyan (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Sun Apr 22 23:11:08 EDT 2001
  
  Hey folks,
  
  One more interesting thing. I happened to watch the programee "Sa Re Ga Ma" in Zee TV few weeks back. I found an interesting thing... Yes !! "VARAAGA NADHI KARAI YORAM" from Sangamam is a direct lift from one famous Urdu (Pakistani) song. It is a complete lift, in the sense, every line (ofcourse, thee tune only !!) has been copied. I remember, one Pakistani participated in this programme and sang the original song.
  
  Any idea what the original song is ??
  
  
• From: Kannazhagi (@ 203.199.79.58) on: Mon Apr 23 04:38:18 EDT 2001
  
  Isai Paiyya,
  Varaga nadikkarai oram is largely inspired by the famous qawali Damadam mast kalandar.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 23 11:37:53 EDT 2001
  
  Damadam mast kalandar was a very old song and in my child hood when we lived in Calcutta, I used to always sing two lines of this song.
  I don't remember much now. When my mom read Subbudu's interview in the magazine, she reminded me this song and said how I used to sing this as a child. I thing the two lines goes this way.
  
  
  damaadum mast kalandar
  alija pehla number....
  
  
  I don't remember much now.
  
  But, even she and I could not find an exact resemblence to "Varaaga nadhikarai..." song. Yes, if you try by singing slowly of fastly, then I think you can relate bith the songs. Yes, you get an easy transition from one song to other. Resemblence has got to do much with the flow of both the songs , rather than their tunes or beat. This is MHO.
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 23 12:49:14 EDT 2001
  
  sorry of the spelling mistake
  read
  slowly of fastly
  
  as
  
  slowly or fastly
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Apr 24 01:11:13 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  
  Resemblence has got to do much with the flow of both the songs , rather than their tunes or beat.
  
  if "flow of song" also matches then that is plagiarism not an inspiration/resemblence.
  
  imho ARR did not do such a blunder and he is not a person of that sorts
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Tue Apr 24 11:10:22 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps:
  I don't know how to put into words the musical terms. I don't think that I have put rightly what I actually think. I am learning.
  
  

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