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Longevity of ARR's songs

Topic started by sundaresan (@ 202.9.180.162) on Fri Aug 18 01:51:00 EDT 2000.
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Despite the fact that ARR is much sought after MD today the average longevity of most of his tunes is 4-6 months.

This is where MSV&TKR, KVM and IR are far superior.

anybody to agree on this?

Sundar

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Responses:

• From: Karthik S (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Fri Aug 18 03:14:46 EDT 2000
  
  Sorry I dont agree. Sundar, if you perceive it as short lived, it'll be short lived. Actually it has more to do with which MD you adore and which one you dont.
  
  Longevity is all about personal likings!
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: darul (@ 136.206.35.10) on: Fri Aug 18 04:08:05 EDT 2000
  
  Sundar...Ur right!
  ARR's music will definitely die out when the
  publicity for the film is over....ARR's music
  lives until the film lives in the theatres...!
  and few songs are exceptions...but on avearge
  it is nothing great.Since no one personaly derive
  pleasure from ARR's music..!
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.130) on: Fri Aug 18 05:35:18 EDT 2000
  
  Today IMHO, Nobody listens to
  
  Chikku bukku railu
  E Muthu pAppa
  Kaththirikka
  And all beatsy songs.
  
  May be AlaipAyuthey, Kandukondain, Rhythm will be there for another 2-3 months. Then, people will not listen that.
  
  Still I listen to
  
  malarnthum malarAtha - From pAsa malar
  All MGR songs
  All Gemini Ganesan songs
  Those are nice to listen even today.
  
  Can you listen to Petta Rap after 3 years. Now also no body is listening that song.
  
  The longevity of ARR songs are only a short period. It will not span to years like MSV/TKR.
  
  I refrain myself from mentioning IRs songs.
  B'cos I don't want to start a fresh fight whcih are already going on in other threads.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Fri Aug 18 08:48:37 EDT 2000
  
  It's up to your perception. Also, ARR music doesn't mean "beatsy". There are more melodies as well, which can still haunt you.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Aug 18 10:36:58 EDT 2000
  
  The longevity of music depends on how complex it is. It seems the human brain takes pleasure in unravelling complex patterns. If it can detect a pattern of notes as soothing it is identified as pleasure. But it cannot be too complex as people may not be inclined to listen to it. For eg. there are complex western classical pieces or indian ragams which are not popular among the masses but still survive the test of time (even for centuries). Earlier directors concentrated on melodies. We live in a different time people need instant gratification. So a catch melody/beat seems to be more important for popularity. To be catchy it has to be a little simple. There you go it losts its longevity.
  As for ARR he seems to be doing the melody/beat thing very well. Add superiors sonics and borrowing from multi-cultures to add variety/novelty. But personally I would rate him less in the melody dept compared to the other great MDs that have graced TFM.
  
  
• From: Sanjay (@ 208.11.61.15) on: Fri Aug 18 11:22:35 EDT 2000
  
  Personally speaking, I find myself digging into my CD collection time and again to retrieve classic ARR soundtraks esp. from his Mani Movies. IMHO, soundtraks like Roja,BomBay,Iruvar,Dilse have indeed stood the test of time. I was just enjoying Iruvar for the upteenth time last week. Then again, I'm an ARR fan so it might boil down to what Karthik said...personal liking.
  
  
• From: vin (@ 209.219.209.68) on: Fri Aug 18 11:34:19 EDT 2000
  
  I think Kiru and karthik have hit the nail on the head.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 209.130.217.210) on: Fri Aug 18 13:47:18 EDT 2000
  
  Whether some music lives for long, depends
  on whether the listeners stay the same! But to
  Kiru's point, Ragams stay longer than songs.
  Reethigowlai lives in 'Azhagana ratchasi' even
  after 'Thalaiyai kuniyum' is not heard daily.
  
  Also, now there are more and more new songs to
  listen to, so we all listen more songs fewer
  times.
  
  ARR has to compete with Raja's, MSV's,
  GR's music as well as Nsync and Ms.Spears
  for listening time.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Mon Aug 21 06:45:59 EDT 2000
  
  Again...a thought...was anybody talking about the longevity of MSV's, IR's, VM's songs when they were about 6 years old in the industry? To be fair on rahman he's joined the rat race in 1992...so you really cannot look into the future about the longevity of his songs.
  
  Simple apples and oranges syndrome. The right blend should be a 6 year (industry) old Raja, say raja till about 1983 (?) and the likes.
  
  Its not fair to single out Rahman in the longevity theory!
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.11.114) on: Mon Aug 21 07:43:06 EDT 2000
  
  Personally, I feel songs like :
  Chikku bukku raiyulu, Pettai rop, Musthafa musthafa, Mudhalvane,columbus columbus, thaiyya thaiyya etc they don't have longevity whereas en veetu jannal,almost all songs from Roja, Pudhiya mugam except one (don't remember that song), thiruda thiruda (Veera pandi,Puththam pudhu,rasathi), May madham (En mel vizhundha,marghazhi poove, minnale),Iruvar (Narumugaiye),Indiyan (Pachai kiligal, kappaleri poyachu, Telephone mani pol),Jeans (Poovukkul, Kannodu,Anbe anbe),Pavithra (Sevvanam, Uyirum neeye), Kadhalan (Ennavale, Kadhalikkum), Mudhalvan (Azhagana,Ulunthu, Uppukaruvadu) etc will be having longevity. (includes Love birds malargale and some songs like Vaanil eeni poottu, Eduda antha sooriya melam, Nee kattum selai, Dile se - Nenjinile,Poongatrile)
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Mon Aug 21 08:12:27 EDT 2000
  
  YVS Mani...
  
  You are trying to single out slower numbers for longevity. Thats a misconception anyway.
  
  For example, the basic claim that all MSV/IR/VM songs have longevity is a sweeping claim. You cannot add a dappanguthu song by Raja under longevity going by your claim.
  
  Longevity again is a personal issue. I might enjoy listening to 'vechukava unna mattum nenjukkula' next year! But you might not. Personal likings - again!
  
  In the same vein, the song per se being a fast irrelevant track doesnt have anything to do with longevity.
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.11.114) on: Tue Aug 22 00:45:10 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik:
  In my message, in the starting itself, I have pointed out that it is personal.
  What u have written is exactly true reg. vechukave unna mattum...( main thing is I did n't like KJY sing that type of sing) I never liked this song whereas I liked muthanathe muthanathe vaanam, sittukku sella sittukku, unnai thaane
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.78.82) on: Tue Aug 22 01:31:35 EDT 2000
  
  Sundar Sir, What do you mean by "longevity" of a song, i mean do you measure it by how long it stays in our mind/heart etc. or
  being repeatedly talked about or broadcasted over the air?? I think it will be more interesting if these kind of scales are used.
  Anyway, the rule is good songs in terms of melody and tune will never fade away!! In that way, songs, irrespective of its mother
  (i.e. MSV, IR, ARR or DevA), which are melodious will have longer existence among us. Do you agree, sir?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Aug 22 10:49:03 EDT 2000
  
  Re: being fair on Rehman. I may be wrong and people know I am biased in favor of rAjA's music. Since everybody here seems reasonable let me say this. rAja's and Rehman's motivations are totally different. rAja's is from the first principles. Rehman's is - why should a song sound like the way it is now in TFM ? ..why cant it be like some Pop/New Age type ?. rAja I would say wants to understand the basics of everything and start creating from there. Rehman already knows how is song should sound like. Because of this rAja is very good in BGM also and Rehman is good with his songs because that is what he targeted. I am not saying Rehman does not understand the basics but he limits his scope to lets say - how a synth beat is used in a song, how should ethnic drums mix with the synth drum etc etc. I am told rAja is doing some new hip-hop/swing influence music. I am sure these elements will not stand out in the compositions, it will be very natural. A common man cannot point and say thats a swing/hip-hop songs. But if Rehman does jazz everybody knows it is jazz and he actually wants everybody to know it. with rAja he just wants you to enjoy the music and not care about how he got it and why he did it that way..
  Like I said, I am biased in favor of rAja ..so take it with a pinch of salt :) This does not mean I anyway underestimate Rehman's intelligence and creativity.
  (Another tidbit - the meaningless english in one Rehman rap song 'Rhythm of life, blah blah .etc' is actually a string of names of sample CDs. Interesting isn't it?).
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Aug 22 11:12:10 EDT 2000
  
  kiru:
  I am told rAja is doing some new hip-hop/swing influence music.
  
  :-))). i listened to a hamsadhwani-ish song in hip-hop transitioning to swing (towards the end of the charaNam) with one bgm (interlude) in a hindustani aria! a great composition a la niRam piriththup pArththEn! :-))) (kiru, i will send THE email thi week sometime. very busy with data analysis.)
  
  
• From: nanban (@ 203.197.154.165) on: Tue Aug 22 11:18:46 EDT 2000
  
  yov! arr pattukala deva,sar pondra "sound" makers kitta mattum compare pannungayya! raja,msv mathiri methai ellam venam
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.222) on: Wed Aug 23 00:59:42 EDT 2000
  
  My view:
  For longevity, it should have `untrendy' lyrics and classical orchestration (again untrendy)...what does that mean? `fax' `internettu' `cellular phone' madhiri lines will definitely turn one off after a year or so while beautiful language will not die of so easily (putham puthu bhoomi vEndum); similarly, an interlude / BGM with multipart orchestration will make one listen to it 1000's of times, regardless of how old it is (veerapAndi kOttayilE)...May be some songs of thirudA, thirudA will meet both these specs and ensured of longevity while the same cannot be said about, say, Jeans!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.222) on: Wed Aug 23 00:59:51 EDT 2000
  
  My view:
  For longevity, it should have `untrendy' lyrics and classical orchestration (again untrendy)...what does that mean? `fax' `internettu' `cellular phone' madhiri lines will definitely turn one off after a year or so while beautiful language will not die off so easily (putham puthu bhoomi vEndum); similarly, an interlude / BGM with multipart orchestration will make one listen to it 1000's of times, regardless of how old it is (veerapAndi kOttayilE)...May be some songs of thirudA, thirudA will meet both these specs and ensured of longevity while the same cannot be said about, say, Jeans!
  
  
• From: e (@ 61.1.250.222) on: Wed Aug 23 01:02:29 EDT 2000
  
  Sorry for the double postings, oru `f'kku vEndi `stop' paNNa muyaRchi seithu, thOlvi:-(
  
  
• From: NANBAN (@ 202.9.176.188) on: Wed Aug 23 03:29:56 EDT 2000
  
  ARR PATTUGA POTHUVA ADA MATTUM VAIKUM.ALA VAIKATHU.KAATHAI MATTUM THODUM.NENJAI THODATHU.(EXCEPTIONS ARE THERE)
  
  
• From: Theva (@ 207.245.235.196) on: Sat Aug 26 12:45:58 EDT 2000
  
  You know, when an ARR song comes out, people listen to it constantly. I mean 24/7. Then of course its gonna get boring after a while. Also I'm sure the radio's overplay them waay too much.
  
  Stop listenin' to an ARR CD for 'bout 2 or 3 months and listen to it again. You'll be in love with it all over again. I still get goose bumps when I listen to ARR's Pudhu Vellai mazhai from Roja.
  
  I still listen to songs from Kadhalan, Roja, Gentleman, etc. Actually I'm tryin' to find the cdz to buy.
  
  
• From: senthil (@ 193.113.185.167) on: Sat Aug 26 14:55:46 EDT 2000
  
  well ,one man's music is another man's noise!!What else can one say.
  
  
• From: oli (@ 160.96.179.5) on: Sat Sep 2 09:41:42 EDT 2000
  
  hi,
  i am looking for tamil tunes to be used in ericsson phones. anyone with the url kindly e-mail me. thanks
  
  

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