Topic started by omega (@ 205.227.43.15) on Tue Dec 26 01:28:54 EST 2000.
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what is sound engineering?
music director needs to know sound engineering?
or music director is separate (composing himself)
and later merges with sound engineering???
Does sound engineer need to know about
raagas and tunes??
Responses:
- From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.250)
on: Tue Dec 26 03:56:30 EST 2000
an alpha grade thirugu velai from omega...
good omega...enjoy mud slingings :-))
- From: Rags (@ 204.114.255.2)
on: Tue Dec 26 14:50:59 EST 2000
an example....
ARR - sound engineer...
IR - Music Director...
its simple...
- From: omega (@ 205.227.43.15)
on: Tue Dec 26 17:26:40 EST 2000
Rags, ennadhu ippadi sollittele?
Konjam vivaraama sollavum
- From: omega (@ 205.227.43.11)
on: Tue Dec 26 19:22:12 EST 2000
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- From: omega (@ 205.227.43.12)
on: Wed Dec 27 13:42:34 EST 2000
vilaavariya yaaravadhu explain pannungo
- From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137)
on: Wed Dec 27 14:46:14 EST 2000
Friends
A sound engineer should have good ear for music may not know every ragas and stuff but a good ear for music is the basic one,should have good knowledge of ascoustics as well and ability to differentiate sounds as he will be doing the mixing so he need to have imagination and taste as which one goes in the foreground and which one in the background for example not too much sound for bass notes and rhthym guitar like this so its not a easy job fellas. I have been to AVM recording center and have watched the pro doing the recordings.
IR team is weak or has very poor assistants or bad sound engineer or he himself doing everything with so many execellent sound technology raja is still using some poor quality machines
Its time he moved on to computers with 10 track maching pluse computer you can get around 20 tracks just in your home itself so imagine the quality!!
Well anyway his days are over so he isnt bothered
- From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19)
on: Wed Dec 27 16:03:02 EST 2000
UV
Kanna Katti Kolladinga! Velichattkku vaanga.
- From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Wed Dec 27 18:29:41 EST 2000
UV,
What ? ir days are over.....you must be joking,
see top 10 albums here - "friends" ranks first.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Wed Dec 27 18:43:03 EST 2000
I have posted here so many times about the different approaches to recording by IR and ARR. IR's is more like acoustic recording (real instruments) of orchestral arrangments. ARR is the POP style. Fewer instruments and many of it recorded straight of drum machines/synthesisers. Number of tracks does not matter if it is properly miked. I have seen many orchestral recordings in concert halls made with just two microphones. I am not saying that IR's recording is perfect but it is a totally different style. Listen to thEvar magan, many songs in it are fantastically recorded but not many people recognise this.
Actually there should be a -
recording engineer to mic the instruments
mix engineer to mix the various tracks this is done along with the MD/artiste, as per their taste.
mastering engineer to ensure all the songs have consistent 'tone' and 'level'.
So a sound engineer can don all these roles at once.
- From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Wed Dec 27 19:11:41 EST 2000
kiru,
IR recordings are filled with too much mid-range, where us recording schools teach not to use mid-range on acoustic instruments.
Arr follows this rule, he hardly uses mid range, also if have you heard madrasai suthi paka poren"
ghatam is captured so well (played by viku vinayakaram), IMO: better than thevar mAgan.
Your pop theory is not correct here (NOM), there are many songs where arr has used natural instruments. Check some of his hindi stuff, He has done it very well.
- From: omega (@ 205.227.43.12)
on: Wed Dec 27 20:20:37 EST 2000
Sridhar - best sound engineer ARR got,
Does IR has somebody like him?
- From: mani (@ 165.21.83.240)
on: Wed Dec 27 23:00:08 EST 2000
ARR : a sound engineer with "ability" to give out good songs not a MD
Why?:
- as a MD he never gave good BGM for any movie that
one can remember. More like a pop-album creator. For that matter Suresh Peters has give nice albums.
- From: rags (@ 204.114.255.2)
on: Thu Dec 28 08:50:44 EST 2000
omega,
i was of the opinion that arr is a good sound engineer....and ur statement had proveds me wrong...even for the one where i thought he was good...shridhar is helping him out...
i know abut sridhar....
and mani...ur correct...i agree with u 100%...
- From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1)
on: Thu Dec 28 11:07:50 EST 2000
h.sridhar was the sound engineer for sethu (it was recorded at arr's panchathan inn).
h.sridhar was also the audiographer for hey ram.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137)
on: Thu Dec 28 12:35:19 EST 2000
My God people how much hate u have towards ARR just because he is the no1 guy in TFM.
Agree Sound Engineer contribution is indispensible but give me a break you should have a solid music to work on in the first place.
See scoring BGM is different making a song there is whole lot of difference one cannot say he or she is bad because his BGM is bad.
BTW my friend Karthik played for Madrasa Suthiparka and not his guru Vikku Vinayakaram.
In English songs are done by different person and BGM is done by different person may be ARR can compose the song and IR can do the BGM.
You guys only intention is to bring down and attack ARR at every oppurtunity. Agreed this forum has a strong IR following but there is a limit to everything. I am also ardent fan of IR but i stay clear of this fanatism and stay level headed. For once try to be good fan for music than for a individual person. How long should TN suffer this kind of idol worship!! Very Sad indeed
MSV and IR fans didnt stoop to this level in those days!!
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Thu Dec 28 15:04:00 EST 2000
Velai_Vetti_nothing,
re: midrange and IR. I think only the bass is low. My theory is since most of his interludes are without percussion he does not want to make it conspicuous. Anyways, Deva came and started increasing the levels for percussion. I think ARR has got the right balance. Still I am not convinced that ARR uses natural instruments. Many of them sound almost real because his synth/sequencers are pretty real. If not he is purposely rolling off the high frequencies to match the real instruments with the sequenced tracks. My theory is based on my experiments with IR songs in which I have increased the bass, rolled off the highs and add some reverb. (Hey Ram had high levels of bass and bArathy again went low.)
(pg. ARR's magic is in the mixing process. Just recording engineer is not going to make a difference. It is the mixing and I seriously suspect ARR does the mixing. YSR songs are made/recorded like the way ARR does. You can tell they are of the same kind).
- From: rags (@ 204.114.255.2)
on: Thu Dec 28 15:04:22 EST 2000
UV,
a MD is complete only when he knows to score good BGMs (re-recording) and songs...
Re-recording is the one which adds on more life to the film...thats y films like hey ram, avatharam, mugam etc stand out even when they dont do commercially well...
u get the feel of the situation only thru the re-recording done for that scene...
man...listen to nayagan's end re-recording when kamal's grand son asks "if kamal is a good man or a bad man"...kamal wont answer anything...IRs re-recording gives the answer...
- From: Jag (@ 35.9.49.204)
on: Thu Dec 28 15:28:42 EST 2000
True very true. Telugu movie "Shiva" had such elevating BGM, that the scenes would have been sheer waste if not for the BGM. For one particular emotional scene where any other MD would have just passed it off as another scene, Raja comes with this haunting BGM, I heard it the first time and could not forget it for 12 years now.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137)
on: Thu Dec 28 15:32:08 EST 2000
Who are u to define a complete musician or Music Director,in which dictionary you have such defintion. Come on brother things changes fast with changing of times. BTW what big BGM MSV or the older MDs have scored,according to ur statement they are not complete MDS thats all right but their songs are still sung and cherished. In that way ARR may not satisfy us in BGM but he scores high in songs over IR,eventhough u guys refuse to come with terms this is the fact dont hide behind the 80s IR to defend the present IR. IR BGM has improved and improving by leap and bounds compared to his older films no doubt but his songs have gone down same type of formula music again,and I challenge that for such kind of music we dont need IR we have plenty of them in TFM right now.
And IR repeating 80s magic is next to impossible.
His music is certainly respected today no doubt but that is totally different from mass following theres the difference.
IR trend setter in 70s-80s ARR set and broke new rules in 90s this is the fact face it.
Hope i havent sounded harsh if yes sorry for that.
- From: mani (@ 165.21.83.240)
on: Thu Dec 28 23:53:49 EST 2000
UV,
In your earlier reply, u have said, this :
In English songs are done by different person and BGM is done by different person may be ARR can compose the song and IR can do the BGM.
In the film world, IMHO, when awards are given, or any appreciation is given, they are given to the MD for their BGM work.
Now, I leave it to your decision, what a "complete MD" is...
ARR broke the trend ?
Nothing new, than mere "importing", u call this, breaking the trend. For this kind of music, we have the "original" western pop-albums(from which ARR gets "inspiration")...
- From: TITA (@ )
on: Sun Mar 3 10:54:17 EST 2002
Hello guys,
- From: maruthi (@ 213.190.153.4)
on: Sun Mar 3 11:23:43 EST 2002
Hi guys,
Its most important understand,the composers style of music and what wants to do with his music.
ILAYARAJA a great man composed music from the days of analogue recordings with noises from ambience and cables and busses,but still managed to get good results from his ablity of handling the compositions,if you look at the recording technology from the stone age you will realise that the bandwidth of the frequencies being recorded is increasing with time wich means growing technology makes more contributions for recording.During IR period he is on among the people who got good musical gears with him.With his knowledge in music he managed to get 100% results.The way he used ragaas and introduced new ragaas like reethigowla in the song chinna kannan azhaikkiraan were great experiments on those days...Its now technology going to capture everything digital recording will not sound bad when recorded for even thousand of time.synths sdamplers,workstations,midi,virtual studios all are the results from technological improvement.
I never imagined to own a home studio some two years before,but this fruit fell on my hands ...
ARR knows whats happening arround him he knows the way to go through the song.
I can assure that IR never wants to go with new technology.He is not as good in exploring new equipments.
To conclude IR cant give better results on a mix even with arr,s equipment but the music will be pleasant with his branded style.
ARR can give a better result even in a mix with ilayarajas equipment but his style may go bad with the loss of technology....
sound engineers are good when they are asked to make some silence( i mean making a good hiss free recording with clear mix with in a band width)
- From: SRINIVASAN.M (@ )
on: Thu May 6 06:48:44 EDT 2004
i am srinivasan from trichy.my biggest aim is i'm be a audio engineer.i'm also fan of mr.H.sridhar.
i want to know sridhar's office or home address & his e-mail & website address.if u know please sent to my e-mail now!
thanking u
- From: SRINIVASAN.M (@ )
on: Thu May 6 06:50:09 EDT 2004
i am srinivasan from trichy.my biggest aim is i'm be a audio engineer.i'm also fan of mr.H.sridhar.
i want to know sridhar's office or home address & his e-mail & website address.if u know please sent to my e-mail now!
thanking u
- From: magix (@ 203.101.39.68)
on: Thu May 6 06:58:43 EDT 2004
hmmm... pazhaya ninaivugal.
- From: neo (@ 66.240.44.197)
on: Fri May 7 09:24:22 EDT 2004
weed is fun
- From: M. sukumar (@ )
on: Mon Jul 19 01:51:29 EDT 2004
i am sukumar from erode.my aim is to become a audio engineer.i'm also fan of mr.H.sridhar.
i want to know sridhar's office or home address & his e-mail & website address.if u know please sent to my e-mail now!
plz send me the details thankyou
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