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We are Pirates!! Are'nt we??

Topic started by karthik (@ 207.78.88.252) on Thu Aug 6 10:13:19 EDT 1998.
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I find it really interesting when people argue that this MD copied this song from this guy, etc, etc...
I think first we should point fingers at ourselves before we accuse others of plagiarism and piracy(this includes me too). Can one TFM'er standup and say that he or she didnt record cassettes from the street corner music shops?
Have we thought about discouraging ourselves from pirating cassettes and CDs? If not are we atleast aware of this?

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• From: e.hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Mon Jan 10 12:37:34 EST 2000
  
  This is a warning about ramiy records.
  AFIR, there was a discussion about ramiy records before. But My experience with them recently is very unique and downright disgraceful. In all the shops in Nj here, you can find ramiy cassettes for vanathai pola with all kind of combinations.
  Some of the unique ones are
  1. vanathai pole with ummai vilighal, and senthoor poove
  2. vanathai pole with sanam teri kasam ( Yes hindi movie, have we seen any tamil/hindi combo B4).
  If it is not wierd enough, guess what is inside the cassettes. Despite all this listing in the cover, the songs inside are from suriyavamsam, and unnai valthi padugeran and other SAR songs.
  Now the problem is, if you buy any combination, you will end up having only this songs. I tried two different cassettes, and the story is same.
  it could have been mistake, But I strongly feel that it is attempt to sell vanathai pol albums at any cost.
  But the problem for the customers like us is, since the shop owners in NJ are not willing to refund the money for this cassettes, you have to settle with other cassettes in their shops, even if you dont want to, or keep this.
  Beware if you see any of this combos.
  I was not happy for what I got into.
  Like to know, if some one also ran into the same problem.
  
  Disgusted with ramiy records,
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ tide70.microsoft.com) on: Mon Jan 10 17:38:39 EST 2000
  
  Looks like you can directly rip the contents of DVD. Has anyone used this DeCSS Software?
  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-1508245.html
  
  
• From: Prabhudas (@ nico.pediatrics.sunysb.edu) on: Fri Jan 14 03:47:30 EST 2000
  
  Dear karthik and TFM surfers,
  Happy Pongal to all,this is really a very interesting topic and defenitely needs attention from every music lover (whether you are true music lover or one of those immature music listeners who idealise temporarily the crappy / mediocre MD's from DEVA to you name it).
  
  I strongly agree with udhaya (although I don't LOVE piracy) and some of the others, I strongly disagree with those who say it is not fair to upload songs on internet media to popularise TFM.
  
  Let us look at some available statistics and info about piracy,
  
  1.Till mid 80's to late 80's radio( transistor as was popularly known for some time) was only the major entertainment mass media especially to listen to new songs /old songs by people , I am talking about the poor class and the lower and even many upper middle class population of our country (India) , though TV was there only in urban cities it was not a true entertainment media even for rich/upper middle class.
  Cassette players were not affordable by many lower middle class people till late 80's or even early 90's (except Tea kadai owners, who by the way one of the biggest and cheap advertisers available in most parts of TN for all sorts of music depending on their taste, and I am sure many of us must have had a great experience of listening to some of the IR songs for the first time in a tea shop which immediately motivated to buy the cassettes).And an average cassette from a major brand name manufacturer starting from HMV, AVM, ECHO, during those years were not less than 25 to 30 Rs each, at the same time even the big time pirated cassettes which were sold on road sides in most big cities were sold 10 Rs. each, some sold 3 for 20 Rs., I don't know how many of us were able to buy the original cassettes or even the pirated cassettes , being college /school students coming from different social classes, (remember the major social class in India is the poor and lower middle class). manufactures.
  
  Then came the CDs and CD player, having moved to different parts of World we tend to think CD player is fastly replacing cassette players in India, I do not have statistics but , if any of us think that way it is merely an illusion, inspite of the satellite TV boom, higly competative marketing by different brand audio cassettes (there are brands of cassettes even named after hit movies, I saw Gentle Man audios/cassettes some time back, man is'nt this crazy?)People can buy a average cassette player for the price one pays for single CD, so that explains quite well about the current status of CD/ CD players in India,
  
  and finally, accessability of Computer and availabilty of internet sevice in India, we must be kidding, it is definitely not a mass entertainment media for Indian standards (especially I mean for listening to audio files,) this being the case I strongly doubt if the internet media especially with a intention to popularise TFM or for that matter IFM should ever be considered as causing any monetary damages to musicians or considered as piracy. As aptly said by Karthik first we should point fingers at ourselves as pirates (although Pliagarism and piracy are two different things altogether) for having taped songs at least even once in our life time.
  
  I remember one of the HCIRF once writing e mails to lot of other regular TFM surfers, requesting them to mail him the latest updates about IR just because he couldn't access internet on a regular basis in Indi, imagine how lucky are those who have access to net 24 hours and who are listening all over the world to the rare great hits of IR which are so difficult to find in originals even if you go hunting several places ( A life time great work by all those web masters, from Rex to Kala, but it is so sad that everybody has started, turning away from a great cause, popularising TFM
  a small digression, Rex and others, believe me friends, listening to the audio files uploaded over net has helped a lot of people cherish their fond memories, their immense nostalgic experiences, their bondage with their kiths and kins far apart, thier continuing association with the heritage and culture of their own, a few thousand to million people listening to internet songs doesn't make a big impact in terms of affecting the royalty/monetary aspect of an established musician for the following reasons
  
  1.Number of people with access to internet media is way down compared to the common people living in low socio economic class in different parts of India
  
  2.Invariably people having access to internet do also have other sources and resources to relish music apart from just the net samples/promos, especially Cdplayers, good audio systems.
  
  3.The no.of TFMsurfers who regularly surf and participate in TFMDF are just too few, though the stats say there are more than million hits every months lots of them are loyal revisitors, and almost each and every one of them must be enjoying listening to songs in better quality.
  
  
  As said by Bhadri,it is the bad marketing strategies /greediness by the big time audio/music industries which are the true enemies of their own as well as the enemies for the great talented musicians, inturn become big time cheaters to the mass for selling cassettes at enormously high cost making un believable profits.
  
  As per statistics in Indian industrial economic history, the 2 big time changes which paved way to lot of competition , change and exposed the the big giants were T series audios entering film music in 80's leading to biggest ever drop in HMV sales, the other being Nirma washing powder which almost washed out Surf from Hindustan Lever.
  
  For a transient period, even Echo cassettes came out with low priced single movies cassttes for price as low as 16 Rs to 18 Rs, from their regular 30 Rs, which I am sure must have eliminated to some extent the pirated buyers.
  
  Well everybody knows how with MP3 files coming on net by the new singers themselves in US shook the big giants (BGM and Columbia) who were making bilions of dollars so far, who all have come down dramatically on their prices in the last 2 years (can you believe them making 8 to 9 times the production cost on each CD), in a questionnaire survey in UCSF in the last 8 months the percentage of university students buying new CDs had dramatically decreased by 67%, because of the availability of custom made MP3 files of their choice in web sites, but this kind of thing to happen in India wil take atleast several more years with out any doubts absolutely,
  
  music producers should look at the grass roots at the buying capcity of an average lower middle class person and market it in an affordable , intelligent way, the more no. they sell, automatically the more profit they will make 'cos that is the biggest population which will make the difference , not the net surfers, eliminating the piracy to a great extent.
  
  And again for Rex and others, unless if you people have any legal (major or minor) obligations/ethical concerns, I humbly request you guys to continue your service , do not even think about the true music lovers of not buying original cassettees , and these are the ones who make more frequent visits these sites and these are the one who spread the info about your great dedicated services.By stopping uploading you are just depriving the true fans an opportunity to listen and indirectly spreadthe TFM to lot others,also believe me by just stopping ineternet audio media (I am talking about new songs), it is not going to contribute even the slightest amount in terms of preventing piracy, it can only affect the net surfers in making a decision about either buying the album or not, and if they decide to buy
  I am pretty sure they will definitely buy original cassttes/Cds. Obviously the ones who continue to buy pirated CDs are in no way going to be influenced by your latest stand , it doesn't matter in any case for them.
  
  There are a whole lot of factors even when it comes to buying qulityaudio cassttes/CDs, I once bought Lakshmi audio CD (who claim original and have majority of IR late 80's album) desperately just because I couldn't find any other original source, the quality sucks.
  
  
  All are in my personal openion
  
  Prabhudas
  
  
• From: hhhw (@ ) on: Thu Oct 7 13:30:19 EDT 2004
  
  I live in the sea but am not a pirate :)
  
  
• From: T (@ 210.210.51.233) on: Tue Oct 12 05:02:18 EDT 2004
  
  yeah true
  
  
• From: sudalai (@ 203.197.141.34) on: Tue Oct 12 11:42:22 EDT 2004
  
  I'm a one eyed pirate with a multi-coloured knickers, slightly torn on the left side of its back, in the shape of a perfect square, now patched with a mild checked populene cloth, never washed since it came into existence, killed a crab with its stink, threw the crab into the sea, which was eaten by a blue eyed big fish, whose name i never knew, but the fish seems to be alive still, happened to see it again on the shores of 'isle of skye'.
  
  
• From: curryleaf (@ 24.21.41.219) on: Tue Oct 12 13:12:53 EDT 2004
  
  arrrrrrrrrhhh matey...
  
  *sigh*
  
  Captain Jack Sparrow... was one hot pirate
  
  
• From: Vishamas Maximas (@ 195.229.241.183) on: Wed Oct 13 07:16:06 EDT 2004
  
  AFAIK pi-rate is 3.14285714285714.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.39.174) on: Wed Oct 13 08:32:03 EDT 2004
  
  Kuruvi-nu paeru vechundu hopin to intimidate ppl? kashtam thaan!!
  
  VM, andha "far" 14 decimal places-a? :)
  
  
• From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.127.75.125) on: Wed Oct 13 08:41:12 EDT 2004
  
  Thappu raasa thappu. you have taken 22/7. Right value is 3.14159265357. As you know, Pi's definition is that its a non recurring decimal.
  
  

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