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who gave their best to iilayaraja, vm ,valli ,palani barathi,gangiamaran

Topic started by mthureshan (@ 213.59.173.73) on Mon Jun 11 05:38:05 EDT 2001.
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hi guys i think valli.eg amma endru,rsthi unnai,vavennilla.vm did not get more songs.pb and ga gave average songs.

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• From: Deepak (@ 64.130.0.73) on: Mon Jun 11 09:19:56 EDT 2001
  
  Mthuresan,
  
  I can't accept pb gave average songs. He's given some wonderful songs like
  
  1) Nandhavana Kuyile
  2) All songs from KM & Kannukkul Nilavu
  3) Thol Mela Thol Mela (Poomani)
  etc..
  
  GA has written very few songs depicting serious situations, I think. But even he had 'Mannil Indha Kadhal indri'... I also think 'Poongadhave', 'Senthoorapoove' were penned by ga.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.171) on: Mon Jun 11 13:31:35 EDT 2001
  
  mthureshan,
  Ennanga idhu Vaali-yai Valli aakkittingalae!
  
  I think the surprise candidate here would be Gangai Amaran who is one of the most underrated lyricists of our time. Just think of IR before NizhalgaL. Before NizhalgaL, IR had no VM and didn't use much of Vaali either. Those were IR's golden days in my book. So many rustic, folk songs came out at that time and GA penned most of them.
  
  I would also include Panju Arunachalam who penned IR's first songs and was a crucial influence in IR's early years.
  
  
• From: Philosopher (@ 12.29.192.65) on: Mon Jun 11 14:06:12 EDT 2001
  
  Deepak:
  
  I think "Mannil Indha Kaadhal Andri" was
  by Paavalar Varadarajan - there is mention of
  Paavalar's name even in the movie.
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 199.67.140.20) on: Mon Jun 11 14:41:14 EDT 2001
  
  I think against the populare belief, Vali, GA, and PA has played more influential work for IR than VM. Upto late 70's, kannadasan, PA, vaali ( alaghe unnai aradhikeran, illamai unjaladugurdu, and lot of AVM movies) and even people like muthulingham, kamarasan had penned lot of good songs for IR. VM, IR combo lasted only for about 5-6 years, even in those years, expect BR movies, other also played a crucial role. But over all, I think, vaali mighy be the leading candidate, in terms of quantity of songs, penned for IR.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Mon Jun 11 15:14:18 EDT 2001
  
  I totally agree with udhaya and e.hari.
  
  Up to me, apart from VM, the best contributors are Vaali, GA, PA and PB...
  
  In olden days, GA had done some great works like jhonny etc.,
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.166.85.213) on: Mon Jun 11 15:23:05 EDT 2001
  
  I totally agree with Udhaya, PA,GA were important sources of lyrics. My only doubt is whether it was totally GA or it were modified/recycled pAvalar's songs. More than VM I feel the absence of kannadhAsan more.
  Even in the lyrics vs tune thread, I wanted to mention that lyrics are very, very important. Right now, I think VM is being a real asset to ARR.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 216.141.67.251) on: Mon Jun 11 15:44:13 EDT 2001
  
  Philosopher
  
  maNNil indha was by GA (he said so atleast :) apparently in the movie GA wanted the credit to go to PV... for some vague-all reason... moththaththula, GA says he wrote the song.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.171) on: Mon Jun 11 17:06:25 EDT 2001
  
  IR lost many lyricists due to his loyalty to VM. Mu.Mehtha ("Mounamae Nenjil Naalum Nee Ezhuthum," "Thaen Aruviyil Nanaindhidum Malaroa", "Vaa Vaa Vaa Anbae Vaa" and Kuruvikkarambai Shanmugam(did Darling Darling and Andha 7 Natkal but never worked with IR) are much better lyricists than VM but never got a lot of opportunity with IR because of VM.
  
  Muthulingam who penned greats like "Manjolai Kilithaanoa", "Maniyoasai Kaettu Ezhundhu" had an open fight with VM resulting in his never appearing for IR again.
  
  Pulamaippiththan did "Kadaloadu Nadhikkenna Kobam", "Raathiriyil Poothirukkum" and other great songs for R.M.Veerappan produced movies, but never got used a lot by IR for some reason.
  
  
• From: Philosopher (@ 12.29.192.65) on: Mon Jun 11 17:11:09 EDT 2001
  
  Hari:
  
  Thanks - Poor PV is dead, no one can verify
  if GA's claim is correct except for IR???
  
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.4.8) on: Mon Jun 11 18:33:06 EDT 2001
  
  Udhaya,
  
  We can also add Vasan to the list - who have many good songs, but unfortunately passed away.
  
  Philosopher,
  
  I remember one girl was questioning him on why he didn't mention his name in the credits but instead chose his brothers name. He replied "Konjum yosichu parunga. Padathula idhu gangai amaran ezhudina pattunnu spb solli irundha enna ayirukkumnu. Naa ezhudina neraya pattu makkal visil adikkara madhiri pattu. Andha situationku en per vendamnudhan annan perai use panninen. Irundhalum poi solli irukka vendamdhan."
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 205.188.195.32) on: Mon Jun 11 18:45:15 EDT 2001
  
  udhaya,
  k shanmugham wrote sengamalam sirikkudhu from dhavanikanavugal.
  reg mannil indha-this was definitely by GA, this info was by spb .he said this after he had finished singing this song in a programme
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 152.163.195.182) on: Mon Jun 11 18:52:01 EDT 2001
  
  and kuyile kuyile -poonguyile(aan paavam) was also by k shanmugham
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jun 11 19:09:04 EDT 2001
  
  the best was given to IR by producers - money.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Tue Jun 12 04:50:49 EDT 2001
  
  Undoubtedly Vaali...
  when Illayaraja Started his career ..
  the songs like Kannan oru kai kuzhandai ...from Badrakaali till now vaali has given excellent number of Songs to IR..
  
  Samples r
  yen kanmani un kaadali
  madai thirandhu (B.raja movie Nizhalgal)
  ore naal unai naan
  raasathi unnna
  aagaya vennilave
  (mainly all fazil+ir) comb before k.mariathai
  azhage unnai aaradikiren
  amma yendrazhaikaada
  inji iduppazhaga
  malai kovil vaasalil
  nadiyoram....
  vilaku veipom
  vaa vennila ....
  poo poookum maasam
  Maniratnam+IR comb all were by vaalee
  (Agninakshatiram,Mouna raagam, Anjali,Dalapathi...)
  what more we want ...
  list continues...
  
  Vaalee has given Simple but profound lyrics to IR than anyone...
  
  GA has mentioned that he wanted to join as an asst to Vaalee
  
  the incident he mentioned reg the Song ore naan unai naan nilavil paarthathu
  
  BEst was Vaalee+IR
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.241) on: Tue Jun 12 06:16:18 EDT 2001
  
  Happened to notice the name of one M G Vallaban as lyricist in a HMV cassette (song - AgAya Gangai in Dharmayutham)...any idea how many songs he has done for IR and which were they?
  
  BTW, one beauty from Pulamaipithan -`Uchi vagindheduththu pichippoo vacha kiLi', an emotional number (SPB simply excels in it) with non-irritant words (I mean those that are not pushed in to make it `gRamathu pAttu' which VM often does)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.241) on: Tue Jun 12 06:21:38 EDT 2001
  
  sorry, it should have been `that are pushed in': -(
  
  
• From: RC (@ 158.106.50.3) on: Tue Jun 12 10:02:26 EDT 2001
  
  Udhaya,
  
  "kadalodu nadhikkenna kobam' is a lovely song. Was it by IR? I don't think so.
  
  

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