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Hollywood Copies Ilaiyaraaja Again

Topic started by KeralaMusicFan (@ 64.246.11.20) on Sun Dec 19 11:22:06 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I know probably there will be some fast heart beats for those Anti-IR fans but here it is.

http://www.alexandersoundtrack.com/
(listen to the first 30 seconds of the 4min sample clip)

Now listen to IR's 1996 hit song Guru Sharanam from the Malayalam movie Guru
http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/M0000222.html

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Responses:

• From: siva (@ 219.93.174.108) on: Sun Dec 19 12:38:19 EST 2004
  
  i am a HCIR fan. but you got it wrong pal.
  the composer (vangelis) did some variations to his older pieces of "1492, a conquest of paradise" and also "chariots of fire"....
  if you listen to both the pieces which came out in late 80's you will notice the resemblance in term of melody, style and also the instruments and arrangement....
  
  
• From: blanco (@ 219.65.107.183) on: Sun Dec 19 13:09:34 EST 2004
  
  one more lift from ilaiyaraaja.
  
  
• From: blanco (@ 64.136.27.226) on: Sun Dec 19 13:39:37 EST 2004
  
  Sorry, Read "one more lift BY ilayaraja"
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.37.184) on: Sun Dec 19 13:42:40 EST 2004
  
  True Siva. 1492 Conquest of Paradise has some great tracks - the tracks which have a heroic feeling.
  
  Too bad for IR fanatics who think every hit song is by IR. I remember someone claiming IRs songs used in Mission Impossible.
  
  
• From: Hahaha (@ 203.115.98.188) on: Sun Dec 19 14:13:49 EST 2004
  
  There's hardly any similarity!!!!!!!!!
  
  People are going to say use of same instruemnts like tabla by two music directors is also a copy!!!!!
  
  In the age of Indian people managing scoops like kareena photos , Tehelka & Shankaracharya at least music lovers are also getting inspired to make up this much. Good future for media!!But please come up with genuine stuff
  
  
  
• From: yuh (@ 219.65.112.122) on: Sun Dec 19 14:49:18 EST 2004
  
  This may not be true but the theme of a popular video game "max payne" has a strong resemblence of climax theme[rain and thunder] from jhonny
  
  
• From: cho (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Sun Dec 19 18:41:57 EST 2004
  
  
  Hollywood is not copying IR.. and IR did not lift anything from Conquest of Paradise... Don't just look for some stupid reason to start a thread... newtfmpage is becoming too boring these days.. Guys, pl talk about something educative and music related..
  
  I am a big fan of IR too.. but it's way too irritating when people say that some hollywood music director is lifting from IR.. those folks dont even know who IR is and for that matter they don't even know where India is in the world map :)...
  
  
• From: JP (@ 203.123.16.124) on: Sun Dec 19 20:58:15 EST 2004
  
  why don't we post this finding in an international forum../.
  
  just like what our friend did sometime back?
  
  
• From: Siva (@ 203.223.137.35) on: Sun Dec 19 22:17:31 EST 2004
  
  Well, i am not saying IR copied from Vangelis. All I am saying is that the person who started this thread got all wrong. i am a HCIRF myself.
  i think Vangelis copied his own track, so its perfectly fine.
  
  
• From: enabler (@ 68.75.182.20) on: Sun Dec 19 23:42:12 EST 2004
  
  Siva, Vangelis is learning from ARR now, who so far was Vangelis of India ;--)
  
  IR copying from Vangelis?!!! - crude speculation (forced to clarify this point in my long vacation!)
  
  One thing I want to state: IR has restated music, reinvented music in its entirety like Ramanujan reinvented math of 200 years before him plus gave for another 100 years ahead.
  
  Any hollywood or bollywood or Evangelist copying IR also is not possible, simply they don't have the capacity to figure out from the reinventions.
  
  Hollywood cannot copy IR, first of all, there is no scope for this level and depth for music in Hollywood, maybe they can continue playing with computer graphics and video games, and simulation rides, but that is about it ( a million programmers can do those these days.)
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.37.184) on: Sun Dec 19 23:48:55 EST 2004
  
  enabler,
  You are simply blinded with fanatism. Even before IR was born, there was music in the west and the west has produced composers far superior to IR.
  
  There is no need for hollywood to copy from IR. But IR himself has copied some hollywood songs and presented them as his own work.
  
  Finally, IRs music stays only within South India. Imagine, a person whose songs are not at all popular in the larger part of India, copied by the West?
  
  Absolutely ridiculous posting.
  
  
• From: enabler (@ 68.75.182.20) on: Sun Dec 19 23:59:11 EST 2004
  
  Guess Me, the West has also produced Rodin The Thinker and Apollo and so on. This is not about comparison.
  
  .....Even before IR was born, there was music in the west and the west has produced composers far superior to IR ......
  
  I don't know if that was the point I was making. There was much more beautiful music in the West, Yes, I agree - a few thousand compositions from various individuals composers. But, composer wise, I think you jumped a bit ahead blinded by my supposedly blinding fanaticism. See Mr. Manisekaran' thread also for further details, I suppose you may have plenty to discuss in detail about a Beethoven or Bach concerto, etc.... But, I don't find much stuff other than overall beauty, details are missing in the overall beauty. Look at the Apollo statue or Cupid' or something - THE GENIUS IS IN THE DETAILS, MY FRIEND, THE DETAILS.
  
  This is about Vangelic Chariots of Fire (bulcra of a composition) and IR finding some detail in that guy' works to come up with inspiration! Blah! Yes, Rahman did it, God knows how.
  
  
• From: KMF (@ 65.161.65.104) on: Mon Dec 20 07:24:29 EST 2004
  
  Mr siva (@ 219.93.174.108)or whatever sh*t you call yourself...I gave links to sample clips. So please do the same or just shut up.
  
  Sour grapes must be difficult to eat I guess
  
  
• From: KMF (@ 65.161.65.104) on: Mon Dec 20 07:28:10 EST 2004
  
  And to the rest, go ahead to proof IR's Guru sounded like Vangelis' earlier works. Sample clips? Title tracks? etc
  
  Otherwise, it's just MORE sour grapes I guess.
  
  
• From: MusicLover (@ 216.127.68.137) on: Mon Dec 20 07:31:41 EST 2004
  
  That's a good one KMF.
  
  
• From: KK (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Mon Dec 20 08:27:06 EST 2004
  
  Intha Guess Me maaari oru muttttaaaa payalai naan ithuvarai paarthatheillai. Antha pokkattha payalukku thayavu seithu pathil ezhuthi waste pannaaathinga makkale!!!!
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.34.0) on: Mon Dec 20 11:21:28 EST 2004
  
  Dont worry abt me KK. I actually have seen many fools like you who believe every good composition is by IR. Dont turn away from facts. IR copies from english songs is a fact.
  
  For the others, dont bother replying to KKs post. He is just another deaf IR fanatic.
  
  
• From: rasigar (@ 15.219.201.68) on: Mon Dec 20 19:24:46 EST 2004
  
  Guys, Hollywood music directors hear a lot of Eastern music for inspiration itseems. They hear a lot of our pieces before they score music. That is true. Hollywood people know IR & ARR. Visit the link given below, a hollywood music director has said about IR and his symphonic composing. IR has said that few of his songs were inspired from Mozart, Bach and Beethovan's symphonies.
  
  I don't know how many people know that MSV has used Spanish music, western music etc in his movie. He had used the tunes as such. Anubhavam puthumai is a Spanish number.
  
  Even C R Subbaraman, Trichy Lohanathan etc had given Westerns in their own tunes.
  
  ARR gives a lot of Western based songs. Many Michael Jackson kind of songs (Inspired).
  
  Music directors have these kind of co-operation between each other.
  
  
• From: g (@ 203.125.115.34) on: Tue Dec 21 00:15:24 EST 2004
  
  rasigar,
  
  Where is the link? Thank you
  
  
• From: arrahman (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Dec 21 01:06:33 EST 2004
  
  guess me
  
  if ir has copied from west, what abt your arr? a shameless cheat! ALWAYS INSPIRED!!
  
  arrahman
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.34.0) on: Tue Dec 21 06:12:52 EST 2004
  
  OK mr. "arrahman", why dont u post a list of copied ARR songs to prove that you are not another ARR bashing idiot.
  
  

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