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Vandhaarai Vaazha Vaippom!!

Topic started by Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on Mon Feb 5 11:32:35 EST 2001.
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Just go through this interesting article.
http://www.tamilcinema.com/cinenews.asp?fname=ess.htm

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Feb 7 15:01:17 EST 2001
  
  Re: sexually provocative lyrics/singing/dancing/acting.
  I was listening to a geethAnjali song - oru jeevan azhaiththathu. The lyrics goes - kAmam onRE en kAthal alla, kandEnE unnai thAyaga !!!
  hmm..do we portray these kind of love or heroines worthy of such descriptions ??
  
  Re: bhArathirAja. I have respect for him. One can trust him to see 'tamil' characteristics in any heroine, say for eg in Madhuri Dixit. BTW, gajagamini (a Madhuri Dixit movie by MF Hussai) is also a tamil description (young elephant) for a woman.
  
  
• From: heyram (@ 216.34.244.8) on: Wed Feb 7 15:52:58 EST 2001
  
  what next? No Aryan Tamils in TFM?!
  
  Exclusivism is really a bottomless pit. Do u think Tamil culture as we know it today was put in place in a day by a solitary Oracle of tamils?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 7 16:38:40 EST 2001
  
  Heyram!
  
  What we are going to do for this? is a totally seperate issue. The postings here mostly portrays the real situation today (probably yesterday too). I intend to tell that although being more cosmopolitan, still we hold the bad name. None of you here come with an example of similar situation in any other part in India. My question to you is do you still feel that there is no such problem and things are normal!! Don't raise "Aryanism" and "Dravidism". Because they by themselves are yet to be resolved. Let's stick only to the language. A tamil speaking (native) and a non-tamil speaking people issue. Talking about people in the movie industry would be more appropriate.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 7 16:51:56 EST 2001
  
  Konjam theeni inge!
  
  http://movies.indiainfo.com/tamil/topstory/tamillac.html
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Wed Feb 7 17:50:55 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  If what this guy says is the real reason, then I am glad we have very few Tamil women in TF:-)
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195) on: Thu Feb 8 01:09:39 EST 2001
  
  koothan,
  
  i take my words back regd. bhaarathiraaja. i did not think about puthiyavaarpugaL and rathi. now after you told i thought for a while and could recollect that even in good native story we had non-native actors and actresses in those days of TF also.
  
  udhiripookaL too had aswini from kannada. earlier in 50s and 60s too we had same thing. i think creators those days did not bother whether the actor/actress are native even for their native TFs, as long as the actor/actress does not ruin the cast/story. even now the same thing is happening but now creators are not bothered about ruinings.
  
  i recollect a TV interview few years back by one tamizh director who was lauding kannambaL about clearing a 40 pages dialogue in one shot(may be the no. of pages are not correct but it is surely very lengthy dialogue) in manohara or some other movie. please remember kannambaL is non-native to tamizh. her mother-tongue is kannada. he was pointing this when he had a screen test of lots of native actress-aspirants who were asked to perform a 4 page 'tamizh' dialogue without any problem. he said he could not select even a single lady who could be atleast said as 'OK'.
  
  i think even in those days when importance was more for story, cast original dialogues acting etc our creators could easily find non-natives who could do seamlessly(without compromising). i think the interest and skill of our native people in TF was more towards back-to-the-camera than towards front-of-the-camera. ofcourse we have almost all comedian and comediane, actors like Ganesans, sv subbiah, sahasranaaman et al (im not sure about bauliah is native or not) but i'm talking in general. so when we saw those non-natives performing very well as if they were natives we had no problem. but now, when we see more non quality stuff then we feel about existence of non-native performers. imho, even for this non-quality stuff our native people are not inclined/not qualified to perform. but slowly the trend is changing. we have many native girls who became Miss. Madrases have already become glamour idols through media ready to perform in movies. we may see trend of native thodais storming in TFs. hera, ramya krishnan, meenakshi seshadri are not groomed in native land. but what is the use, whether u have natives or non-natives if they help in ruining TF nothing great in it :-(
  
  But i still stick to my point, i differ from the article of senthilar. i still feel the pointer of the article is blaming non-natives rather than finding faults, if any, in TF.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Feb 8 05:16:37 EST 2001
  
  what i can't stand is thamizh kolai, which all the satellite channels are directly responsible for. and the teenyboppers who indulge in it are invariably green tamizhachchis. how does one justify this? thamizhanukke thamizh pesa mudiyavillaiyendraal, entha mugaththodu sukhwinder singhai kutram saatta mudiyum?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195) on: Thu Feb 8 05:41:59 EST 2001
  
  exactly..cram that is what i was trying to say in all those 1KM long postings. u've told it in a 'rathna surukka' method.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Feb 8 10:29:40 EST 2001
  
  kupps
  
  thanks for sharing the aadhangam. i wonder why we conduct "ulaga thamizh maanaadus" and have a minister for tamil culture and scribble long love classical divine tamil everywhere, when in reality, tamil awareness is on the decline, at least in the cities.
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Thu Feb 8 13:42:26 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,
  
  I agree with you cent per cent on the point that we only have ourselves to blame. No point pointing fingers.
  
  I also agree with you and Cram on Cram's point.
  
  SPB has better diction and pronounciation than YSR. Chitra has better diction than Bhavadharini.
  
  I think what needs to happen is for the industry mughuls, who are predominantly Tamil, to become aware of the down slide of Tamil and actively promote it. (I know this is wishful thinking)
  
  The producers, directors, MDs, and Lyricists together have the power to make sure that people who do not speak proper Tamil will not be allowed to sing or talk. Be it Sukwinder or Suresh Peters. Native or non-native.
  
  But as long as people of KB's stature are defending (read: sucking upto) people like ARR, when VM accuses them of Tamil Kolai, this is not going to happen.
  
  What's going to happen is we will see more and more of Sukwinders, and we will have YSRs imitating S in an attempt to be cool.
  
  Having discussions sush as this will definitely help bring awareness among fans. But that's about it. I doubt Kodambakkam is listening. If they had a habit of listening, they would not come out with crap, 99% of which fail misserably at the box office.
  
  ....later
  
  
  
• From: rr (@ ) on: Sun Feb 22 08:15:08 EST 2004
  
  qw
  
  
• From: tamil nativity (@ 130.126.72.28) on: Mon Feb 23 00:12:42 EST 2004
  
  I don't really have a problem with non-tamil people in tamil film world. What bothers me is that these people make no attempt at even trying to learn tamil. The came to tamil nadu to make their living yet they don't even bother to learn tamil. If they were to make a living in Paris, US, even Bollywood; They would learn the language. What's worse is that the tamil people (both those in charge as well as the mass) just don't care.
  
  
• From: regent (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Tue Feb 24 18:05:14 EST 2004
  
  what defines the "performance" is the question. what exactly is needed from the heroeines these days? skin? give them money, they'll do that. is it their problem that they do not act? fact: they are not expected to act. who is to blame?
  
  the problems originate with the directors without substance, desparate to give a "hit" resorting to all sorts of crass techiques. add to that the greedy "upma producers", and there you have a recipe for a nuke bomb.
  
  it's not the question of any particular region's culture. any display of vulgarity should be shunned. why should a girl dance with ultra-mini clothing on the Alps, while the hero thambi is all dressed up toe-to-neck? the mentality has to change at the source; the audience also should learn to make sure that such craps are bombed. bite their wallet, they'll learn the lesson. after all, isn't it all about money? at least, that's what i think Shankar learned after the boyz fizzled bigtime. we need more such mega-production flops to strike the message home.
  
  
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Wed Feb 25 06:32:45 EST 2004
  
  Atleast Virumandi did not fall a prey to this global Thanglishization phenomena. Otherwise, in Abhirami's place , we would have had a kiran or rimasen or trisha mouthing naatupura dialogues thru the most tiring,boring to death , drab nasal voice of savitha (iam not sure of her name though)
  
  

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