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IR's Western Classical Based Compositions

Topic started by Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on Wed Dec 13 15:24:30 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am interested in collecting all the different styles of Western Classical Music that Isai Gnani Illayaraja has used so far.

I request all the knowledgeable TFM folks here to contribute their knowledge about the different styles of WC that IR has used and also list the songs.

I will start with some songs like
'Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi'
'Aaananda Ragam Ketkum Kaalam' - Panneer Puzhpangal
'Envaaniley Orevennila' - Jaani

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• From: som (@ 61.2.232.125) on: Tue Apr 1 10:01:47 EST 2003
  
  'Unnai thedi vennila' is a good composition but missing thalaivar touch in that.The selection of instruments gives an impression ( to me) that KR's hand may be there.I am not finding good flow of the song from beginning to end which one can find in any of the IR's song.Let it be any song fast number or slow,Happy or pathos the starting tempo is maintained thro'out the song till get finished.Orchestration also keeps the listener
  in the same mood and that will be very natural.This can be experienced in any song from "ALHAGI" & "KASI" which were composed by IR.The impact is going to be there for a long time(asai pottu konde irukkalaam).This one is missing with compositions of present TFMD(including KR & YSR).Even a latest hit song provides only
  listening pleasure not the after listening impact.The subject song also to some extent gives that impression.
  
  BTW i am not finding any significant WC flavour in this song.If i am sure IR brings in classical guitar,violin & piano to bring WC in the song (listen "enna solli paaduvatho" which is having IR's stamp with WC touch).The songs Kodaikaala kaatre (panneer pushpangal),Endrendrum ananthame (kadal meengal),enna sugamaana(karjanai),uravugal thodarkathai(aval appadithaan) etc., brings out the real dimension of WC.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Tue Apr 1 17:33:44 EST 2003
  
  I agree with you som. Probably 'Unnai thedi' may not come under WCM. But still I like this song as it makes me happy. Today I was listening to 'Vegam Vegam' from Anjali. I feel it is a very unique composition.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Apr 1 18:07:00 EST 2003
  
  Look at the beat, this was supposed to be a POP or 'rhythm' song. But a Maestro cannot do an ordinary, so it has a nice melody to it. Yes, I think this is a real IR tune, maybe Karthik provided the beats, but I am very positive this is IR's. The charanams are different from the usual norm (in IRs songs). They are more like another pallavi ..I guess this is done so that the dance like beats could be continued through out the song.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Tue Apr 1 20:54:12 EST 2003
  
  Amongst the recent songs, "Undhan raajiyathil" from Andaan Adimai had some majestic-sounding WCM orchestration, vintage IR. The tune was moving as well. One of the very few gems from IR in recent times. I liked the contrast between the chorus in the pallavi(sung by some vidyodhaya school students?) and IRs voice in the charanam. That flute you hear in the interludes is totally missing these days. IR usually does well in prayer songs like these. "Kadavul Ullame","Devan Thiruchabai Malargale" "Guru charanam" etc. come to my mind. The rest of the songs in Andaan Adimai were pathetic.
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 63.246.166.72) on: Wed Apr 2 00:51:27 EST 2003
  
  has IR composed an opera-like composition? I think there was one - Alaigale Vaa - that was featured in SOTD. rjay was very critical about it.
  
  I'm not really familiar with the genre. ARR has "Strawberry kanne" which is very operatic IMO. Also, I think the recent kooththu song in Anbe Sivam is like an opera. (hope I'm not the daring fool that Saravanan mentions so often :-)
  
  Any similar song by IR?
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.81.55) on: Wed Apr 2 02:56:07 EST 2003
  
  s0, can "Chandhirarum sooriyarum" from Avatharam come under 'opera-like-composition'?
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 139.95.250.2) on: Wed Apr 2 10:22:09 EST 2003
  
  Vj, yeah, I forgot to mention it.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 203.199.209.101) on: Thu Apr 3 00:59:47 EST 2003
  
  not only from IR but also generally in TFM, opera-like compositions are lesser in number, i think. "strawberry kaNNae" is really a gem of the crown(opera-like tfm songs).
  
  Can we list opera-like songs in tfm by all possible MDs.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.80.73) on: Thu Apr 3 03:50:20 EST 2003
  
  "raadhai manadhu" - snehidhiye has some WCM bits, MD Vidyasagar.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 198.38.6.253) on: Thu Apr 3 09:38:46 EST 2003
  
  The rest of the songs in Aandaan Adimai were pathetic? I wouldn't say that now. I thought 'Ennenna Paada' was kind of nice. The other three were strictly okay.
  
  Vj, yes, I suppose 'Chandrigaarum' can be considered an operatic melody, depending on personal perception. :-)
  
  
• From: som (@ 61.1.215.162) on: Thu Apr 3 11:38:25 EST 2003
  
  Though the song thoongaatha vizhigal rendu is composed in raagam amrita varshini the bgm style is very novel.Does it have a substance of jazz?can anybody explain?
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Thu Apr 3 11:43:49 EST 2003
  
  Purv, I also like 'Ennenna paada' song . This song has wonderful interludes (Shivaranjini) and would have become memorable if Bhava had not sung it.
  
  
• From: chinna swami (@ 216.47.179.49) on: Thu Apr 3 14:49:14 EST 2003
  
  Maestro's western classical based compositions:
  
  1. Anney Anney
  2. Ponmeni
  3. Vaadi en kappa
  4. Kanna nee enge
  5. Maaman veedu macchi veedu
  
  
  
• From: truth (@ 128.194.171.34) on: Thu Apr 10 12:24:13 EDT 2003
  
  hi
  could anybody give me the link to listen to "uravugal thodarkathai" from aval appaditha. i have been searching for this song for a lonnnnnnnnnnng time still no luck ...
  
  thankx
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 165.89.84.8) on: Fri Apr 11 09:46:36 EDT 2003
  
  Could some one point me the link for mp3 version of Avathaaram, Nandu, Metti, 16 vayadhinilee
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Fri Apr 11 10:23:04 EDT 2003
  
  digression
  
  purv,
  
  You could also "Nammava thappu pannina" from Aandaan Adimai...suthamaana shankarabharanam..IR has used shankarabharanam for many comical songs (maamavukku kudumma)...this song is in that genre,a light hearted composition, but so much enjoyable...in the charanams, the female chorus interrupt smoothly, and watch the way the charanams finally end (thaalam thappina maadhiri of effect)
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ ) on: Thu Apr 22 15:20:29 EDT 2004
  
  Could some one tell me what western composition style is Ananda Ragam (Panner Puspangal) is based on.
  
  
• From: tamilroja (@ 165.21.154.14) on: Tue Apr 27 08:57:58 EDT 2004
  
  oh vasantha raja - neengal kettavai
  kannan vanthu - rettai vaal kuruvi
  azhagu aayiram - ullaasa paravaigal
  germaniyin - ullaasa paravaigal
  madai thiranthu - nizhalgal
  malare malare - unn kannil neer vazhinthaal
  raajanodu rani - sathi leelavathi
  uravenum puthia vaanil - nenjathai killathe
  kurunchi malaril - azhage unnai aaraathikiren
  yentha poovilum - murattu kaalai
  yen vaanile - johnny
  thozhin mele (african beat) - ninaivellaam nithya
  
  
• From: Music_lover (@ 202.141.98.226) on: Tue Apr 27 20:20:21 EDT 2004
  
  I recently listened to Danny Elfman's title score for "Goodwill Hunting" - o my God! it sounded like vintage IR style melody!
  
  

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