Ilaiyaraja's New Albums 2016-18, News and Titbits

[dochu]

@irfan123, Ilayathasan:
No worries.
How IR pointed out the mistake of tabla player (for not starting right on the cue), I pointed his mistake for handling the musician erratically.
As I keep saying, we are all bound to get emotional, etc and make mistakes. Whatever it is, some things (mistakes) will get erased as we age and gather experience in life.
What we did (mistakes) as kids, don't get repeated because we 'learnt' from it.

IR for his age, wisdom and experience, this definetely wouldn't be the first encounter.

My personal wish was that he could take it light and not censure the tabla player to that extent. Whatever the hand gestures (7:04) seemed to be taken as an apology, could very well be done it more mature and differently too, IMHO.

We all tried giving reasons that musicians have the right to such eccentricities, situations made him do it etc.

But at the end of the day, personally I think it would be a great selfless act to be just kind and accepting person.

Whether you believe it or not, whenever there is an interview or press meeting with IR, people who adores him for sure will be nervous while the media will be waiting for some juicy comments to make a media sensation. IMHO, these things could be controlled.

[venkkiram]

@irfan123, Ilayathasan:
No worries.
How IR pointed out the mistake of tabla player (for not starting right on the cue), I pointed his mistake for handling the musician erratically.
As I keep saying, we are all bound to get emotional, etc and make mistakes. Whatever it is, some things (mistakes) will get erased as we age and gather experience in life.
What we did (mistakes) as kids, don't get repeated because we 'learnt' from it.

IR for his age, wisdom and experience, this definetely wouldn't be the first encounter.

My personal wish was that he could take it light and not censure the tabla player to that extent. Whatever the hand gestures (7:04) seemed to be taken as an apology, could very well be done it more mature and differently too, IMHO.

We all tried giving reasons that musicians have the right to such eccentricities, situations made him do it etc.

But at the end of the day, personally I think it would be a great selfless act to be just kind and accepting person.

Whether you believe it or not, whenever there is an interview or press meeting with IR, people who adores him for sure will be nervous while the media will be waiting for some juicy comments to make a media sensation. IMHO, these things could be controlled.

Whether you believe it or not, whenever there is an interview or press meeting with IR, people who adores him for sure will be nervous while the media will be waiting for some juicy comments to make a media sensation.

அதுக்கும் அல்ரெடி "அறிவிருக்கா?"ன்னு கேட்டுவிட்டார். நீங்க அந்த நடத்தைக்கும் ராஜாவுக்கு போதனைகள் தரலாம்.

[dochu]

Whether you believe it or not, whenever there is an interview or press meeting with IR, people who adores him for sure will be nervous while the media will be waiting for some juicy comments to make a media sensation.

அதுக்கும் அல்ரெடி "அறிவிருக்கா?"ன்னு கேட்டுவிட்டார். நீங்க அந்த நடத்தைக்கும் ராஜாவுக்கு போதனைகள் தரலாம்.

Looks like you are pretty 'annoyed' that I pointed at a mistake and suggested alternatives. Aren't you doing the same to me? Looks like you are 'preaching (போதனை)' me to preach IR.

Doesn't that sound hypocritical?

See as much as you overlook his mistakes and justify to, using the same logic, your reasoning falls quite flat. Because you are preaching too. I am able to note the sarcasm in your tone.

It takes a whole lot of reasoning, thinking and maturation to overcome challenges and remain calm in life. Which I don't think we will ever master until our death. I am as much as imperfect like anybody else and trying to control my animal urges.

Hope you are not taking any of this personally and my intention isn't so either.

[venkkiram]

Looks like you are pretty 'annoyed' that I pointed at a mistake and suggested alternatives. Aren't you doing the same to me? Looks like you are 'preaching (போதனை)' me to preach IR.

Doesn't that sound hypocritical?

See as much as you overlook his mistakes and justify to, using the same logic, your reasoning falls quite flat. Because you are preaching too. I am able to note the sarcasm in your tone.

It takes a whole lot of reasoning, thinking and maturation to overcome challenges and remain calm in life. Which I don't think we will ever master until our death. I am as much as imperfect like anybody else and trying to control my animal urges.

Hope you are not taking any of this personally and my intention isn't so either.

'annoyed'-லாம் இல்லிங். ரசிகர்கள் என்ற போர்வையில் ஏதேனும் ஒரு சில காரணங்களைச் சொல்லி குதர்க்கம் பேசும் மக்களையும், ரசிகரல்லாத நிலைப்பாட்டோடு கக்கும் காழ்ப்புணர்ச்சிகளையும் இணையத்தில் நிறைய பார்த்துவருகிறோம். அந்த அனுபவத்தில் ராஜா ரசிகர்களுக்கு தோல் நன்றாகவே தடித்துவிட்டிருக்கிறது என நினைக்கிறேன்.

"எனக்கு ராஜா பாடல்களை மட்டுமே பிடிக்கும்" என்ற விவரமான முன்மொழியோடு சொம்பு எடுத்துக்கொண்டு அலையும் கருத்து கந்தசாமிகள் சூழ் உலகம் இது!

[lydayaxobia976]

Hi Dochu
Still I don't know wether you accept that Sir has apologised or not, if you have there is know apology from you as person except high morals from others.I hope at least you would accept that he put his hand up.
How come you haven't said anything about behaviours of geniuses. Don't you accept Raja sir one? Compare are to almost all of them he has conducted him self pristine.
Venki forget about we are getting hard skin, imagine how hard would have been for him. Filthy industry he's been in , all the selfish people, peoples who used him, the ones stabbed him in the back, the ones who portrait them as talented as him...., unimaginable . Sorry Dochu only thing I don't understand is.. you are expecting to be like us.
And your comments about his repeated mistake .. you think it's all his fault? Even if it's me ( kadaiyen compare to the Ghani) would have reacted really bad.
He is musical saint not spiritual saint., that's where you are probably confused..

[lydayaxobia976]

Sorry about spelling and grammatical mistakes

[dochu]

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Still I don't know wether you accept that Sir has apologised or not, if you have there is know apology from you as person except high morals from others.I hope at least you would accept that he put his hand up. How come you haven't said anything about behaviours of geniuses. Don't you accept Raja sir one?

I have accepted him as a music genius. Period.
With a gross mistake, I would have done more than a hand gesture.

How come you haven't said anything about behaviours of geniuses. Don't you accept Raja sir one? Compare are to almost all of them he has conducted him self pristine.
Venki forget about we are getting hard skin, imagine how hard would have been for him. Filthy industry he's been in , all the selfish people, peoples who used him, the ones stabbed him in the back, the ones who portrait them as talented as him...., unimaginable . Sorry Dochu only thing I don't understand is.. you are expecting to be like us.
And your comments about his repeated mistake .. you think it's all his fault? Even if it's me ( kadaiyen compare to the Ghani) would have reacted really bad.
He is musical saint not spiritual saint., that's where you are probably confused..

Who would think this is a utopian world? Its mostly Dog eat dog world. How can one justify their own bad behaviour because they were treated bad once by others? If everybody follows that principle, then good things will cease to exist.

I would NOT definetely call anyone a saint. I am yet to come across a saint. He has portrayed him to be more spiritually inclined, hence public's expectations for him to stand above the rest is quite ginormous. And erractic actions undermines the credibility.

Look at the video clip of famous bleep song controversy.
I am not justifying the reporter's action. It was an inappropriate question at an inappropriate time. However, he did not ask IR how to treat perivascular disease with latest drug. It was well within the realms of his territory (cine music). Maybe the common expectation would be to answer with a simple, 'no comment' or 'inappropriate question'. Instead IR, questioned the reporter.....

"Unaku modhalla enkitta pesa thagudhi iruka nu...."

I got confused. Now what qualifications does a reporter need to ask celebrities?

Anyway, I shall stop my arguments with this because.......majority of public doesn't accept it. It was quite evident from the media reports.

[kr]

I have accepted him as a music genius. Period.
With a gross mistake, I would have done more than a hand gesture.




Who would think this is a utopian world? Its mostly Dog eat dog world. How can one justify their own bad behaviour because they were treated bad once by others? If everybody follows that principle, then good things will cease to exist.

I would NOT definetely call anyone a saint. I am yet to come across a saint. He has portrayed him to be more spiritually inclined, hence public's expectations for him to stand above the rest is quite ginormous. And erractic actions undermines the credibility.

Look at the video clip of famous bleep song controversy.
I am not justifying the reporter's action. It was an inappropriate question at an inappropriate time. However, he did not ask IR how to treat perivascular disease with latest drug. It was well within the realms of his territory (cine music). Maybe the common expectation would be to answer with a simple, 'no comment' or 'inappropriate question'. Instead IR, questioned the reporter.....

"Unaku modhalla enkitta pesa thagudhi iruka nu...."

I got confused. Now what qualifications does a reporter need to ask celebrities?

Anyway, I shall stop my arguments with this because.......majority of public doesn't accept it. It was quite evident from the media reports.

Dochu:

I have followed you for years and you have been generally supportive of IR.

I have a slightly different take on both the events. Regarding the one with the reporter, you have to consider the context. IR seemed genuinely concerned about people affected with the floods - as exhibited by his delivering food by boat and dropping of 1000s of blankets etc. The reporter uses one of his flood related visits for his question whereas IR stops to answer reporters impromtu to answer flood related questions. Even then IR first tells the reporter that this is not the place for such questions and it is when the reporter aggressively pursues, IR uses those words. In the immediate context of the suffering he has seen in the floods, the repeated aggressive questioning regarding a crass issue that IR had no relation to was the trigger and you will have to have more contempt for the insensitive qualities of the reporter than IR. I do.

Regarding his reaction to the Tabla player in the video, you can see that IR has been showing his displeasure right from the start of the song as something was not right and looks like signalling him to be in synch. However, when he continues to be not in sync is when IR uses those words. The one thing we all know about IR is his pure dedication to music and he has demonstrated this over all these years that in that quest of perfection to music, he has alienated many. From what I have seen in the two concerts in NJ I visited, he really cares about the music that they are performing and wants to not shortchange the paying audience. How may other troupes, practice for a month before engaging on a tour like this. What I saw in these concerts was even when Mano mispronounces a word, IR corrects him as he cares about perfection. Imagine, it would be easier for to not care and deliver songs with blemishes and be the crowd pleaser. But this is his DNA - being genuine to his art that he has dedicated himself to. The other hat I saw in the concert was the genuine affection his team had for him. Also not talked about much is when his singers hit the difficult notes correctly or when his orchestra plays a complex piece well, he looks at them and applauds in admiration and turns to the crowds to signal to them the beauty of what they did.

I recently heard from a friend of mine who had gone to an Anirudh concert in Toronto that most of the music was piped in and there was a lot of lip synching that went on. It is these guys who are celebrated these days.

While there is a lot of bad things people say about IR, not many talk about the fact of his reverence to real musical genius be it MSV, C Ramachandra, SDBurman, Dr. Balamurali Krishna, TVG, Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer etc. His loyalty to Panchu Arunachalam until PA's last days. You also see the members of his orchestra including the sons of past music directors like Govardhan and Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan (both the sons excel in their fields). He also had music director Dakshinamoorthy as the one who would instruct the singers before his recording. I see IR as a man who respects genuine talent and is really loyal but someone who in his own way protests and stands up against pretense and what he perceives as authoritative (in movies, a person with those traits would be a superstar).

For me, I genuinely admire IR not just for his music but for his whole being. (I was so proud when my wife, who is a fan of IR music but a crazy IR fan like me, said when we at the recent concert in NJ that she just wants to be in his presence because there something divine about IR and she hopes that some of those vibrations from his presence could be a blessing).

Anyway my objective is not to change your mind but to provide you my take based on my perceptions of the context surrounding the situations. I feel that in general IR does not get the respect he deserves from the media and characterizations of him and I would not be surprised that there may be vested interests fueling that. My hope is that we do not succumb to that and consider the overall context.

[venkkiram]

I have accepted him as a music genius. Period.
With a gross mistake, I would have done more than a hand gesture.

Who would think this is a utopian world? Its mostly Dog eat dog world. How can one justify their own bad behaviour because they were treated bad once by others? If everybody follows that principle, then good things will cease to exist.

I would NOT definetely call anyone a saint. I am yet to come across a saint. He has portrayed him to be more spiritually inclined, hence public's expectations for him to stand above the rest is quite ginormous. And erractic actions undermines the credibility.

Look at the video clip of famous bleep song controversy.
I am not justifying the reporter's action. It was an inappropriate question at an inappropriate time. However, he did not ask IR how to treat perivascular disease with latest drug. It was well within the realms of his territory (cine music). Maybe the common expectation would be to answer with a simple, 'no comment' or 'inappropriate question'. Instead IR, questioned the reporter.....

"Unaku modhalla enkitta pesa thagudhi iruka nu...."

I got confused. Now what qualifications does a reporter need to ask celebrities?

Anyway, I shall stop my arguments with this because.......majority of public doesn't accept it. It was quite evident from the media reports.

வழக்கமாக பலர் ஒரு பத்தியில் தான் சொன்னதை அடுத்தடுத்த பத்திகளில்தான் அதை மறுத்து தனது கருத்து முரண்பாடுகளை எல்லோருக்கும் வெளிச்சம் காட்டுவார்கள். இங்கே ஒரே பத்தியிலேயே அடுத்தடுத்த வரிகளிலேயே முரண் தலைகாட்டும் அழகை ரசித்தேன்.

[dochu]

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"எனக்கு ராஜா பாடல்களை மட்டுமே பிடிக்கும்" என்ற விவரமான முன்மொழியோடு சொம்பு எடுத்துக்கொண்டு அலையும் கருத்து கந்தசாமிகள் சூழ் உலகம் இது!

Man!!!that's quite a pessimistic way to look at everybody. If you keep wearing dark glasses all the time, statistically you are bound to miss out on good/geniune things too.
FOrtunately, it isn't my problem but yours to deal with.
Indirectly hinting (AGAIN!) with a sarcastic comment doesn't help your case at all. I clearly mentioned that I was just expressing my way, and you went around beating the bush.

You talked about who are we to preach others, geniuses have their own quirky ways, etc but you did the exact opposite of preaching etc. And I called out this action as being hypocritical. You cannot hold different set of standards for yourself and others.


Bottomline - no matter how much ever we justify erratic actions of anyone (against norms of a social living), it gets censured. History has repeatedly shown.