Brahma Kumaris ?

[PARAMASHIVAN]

Dear all

Has any one heard of this 'Spiritual institution called Brahma Kumaries? What are the philosophical views? I have seen few programs about them on 'Aastha TV (sky 807)' but was not able understand the philosophy as it was in an 'unknown' language to me (Hindi).

If you know any of the Philosophical views / teachings, pls elaborate here .

Thanks

[anbu_kathir]

Paramashivan,

The spiritual views of the Brahmakumaris are not that different from SSRS or Jaggi Vasudev as far as I can infer. Another group which started of a man's personal enlightenment of sorts and now has grown in strength and exposure, that I trust does some good activities and has an all-embracing philosophy at their core. I personally could sense some spiritual potency when I listened to their current leader talk. You can of course find more about them online

Love and Light.

Dear all

Has any one heard of this 'Spiritual institution called Brahma Kumaries? What are the philosophical views? I have seen few programs about them on 'Aastha TV (sky 807)' but was not able understand the philosophy as it was in an 'unknown' language to me (Hindi).

If you know any of the Philosophical views / teachings, pls elaborate here .

Thanks

[Sudhaama]

One of my close Relatives was a member of this Spiritual Association,

I too was a part of the INNOCENT SUFFERERS

--indirectly and UNDULY



How far Good and apt for the Current Era MANKIND.?

-- although intended and CLAIMED as--

---SPIRITUAL-EMANCIPATION.!



Advocating CELIBACY & ANTI-MARRIAGE.!

--forcing indirect SEPARATION of Husband and Wife.

--practically a SAINTLY LIFE.!

-- A Serious Matter of SOCIAL CONCERN.!



No doubt, by THEORY its Aims, Objectives and Scope

--QUITE IMPRESSIVE, for a perfunctory Onlooker, INITIALLY.

But practically for IMPLEMENTATION.?


For example, I know as to how much unnecessary problems in Life, it lead into One Family,

--due to the Onslaughts of its STRINGENT Regulations & Code of Practice--


--countering and defying the LAW OF NATURE.!


Impracticable for a Common-man, especially for an Employee Professional.


This International Organization was founded by One Spiritualist North-Indian, with Head-quarters at Mount Abu, near Mumbai and has spread over the whole of India and overseas too.


Salient Principles in brief

Appreciable Stipulations:

1.Must practice strict Honesty, Integrity and Clean Character

2.Must always ensure TRI-PURITY by Thought, Speech and Deeds.

3.Must become a TETOTALLER… free from Alcohol and such Narcotic drugs.

4.The Spirit of UNIVERSAL LOVE, backed by the concept of GLOBAL FRATERNITY, must be inwardly nursed and developed by means of Self-Endeavour

5.Must eschew Violence by any and all means.

6.Be a STRICT VEGETARIAN

7.Man has to uplift oneself SPIRITUALLY, to deserve to be called as Mankind.

8.Such Emancipation can be achieved only by frequent Meditation which Spiritual- process alone can ensure Mutual- linking the Human-Soul with the Supreme Soul power, God.


No Comments on---

9.God has NO FORM or Shape. He is an All-pervading ABSTRACT POWER.!!!


10.Worship of any Object and prostrating at any Man are forbidden.

11.All pervading Supreme God is the Parandhaam LORD SHIV Paramaathma.!



Where does the dispute starts.?


12.Can practice any Religion. Or No Religion.

13.MARRIAGE is an UNNECESSARY BURDEN. So prefer to be UNMARRIED.

14.SEXUAL RELATION is a SIN. So if you are already married, must take an Oath, that You will not indulge in Sexual Relation at all in future, EVER IN LIFE.!

The other Partner Wife or Husband must personally promise at the Brahma-kumari Ashram and declare in writing to strictly abide by due co-operation with the other.

15.The body housing the Soul becomes impure or sullied, by passing stools. So every time after Toilet, must take bath…

... irrespective of number of times, even in case of Illness of lose motions, Diarrhea or Purging.


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[PARAMASHIVAN]

Bhrama kumaris regard Baba Shiv as the supreme soul . I have watched few of their episodes, but I feel they kind of teach how to deal with day to day problems rather than understand your true being.

Out of all these inistitues I find Sadguru Jaggi vasudev teaching to be the 'ONLY' rational and logical teaching, the rest are just based on human emotions

[Sudhaama]

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Bhrama kumaris regard Baba Shiv as the supreme soul . I have watched few of their episodes, but I feel they kind of teach how to deal with day to day problems rather than understand your true being.

... just based on human emotions

Dear Paramashiva,

I don't understand you.

If anybody wants to believe the God SHIV as the Supreme... well they can very well believe and practice so.

Not only the Lord Siva, there are other varied sorts of devotees also... even within the same Religion of VEDIC FAITH... so called Hinduism...

...named as SAKTHAS who believe the Lord Kaali as the Supreme PARAMESWARI....

.... and such others eg. Kaumaraas, Gaanapathyas, Sauras, Swaabaavikaas and so on.

So, Others should have NO OBJECTION... Nor interfere in their PERSONAL Freedom of Faith.

But what is PERPLEXIVE to me, is how this HUMAN SOUL-EMANCIPATOR Organisation...

... preach and practice a Faith Soul-concept... in the name of Shiv, the KAMESWARA...

...quite CONTRARY TO SAIVISM Basics itself.!

Yes. According to Saivism, SEXUAL RELATION is NOT A SIN.!

One of the several Concepts of Sivalingam shape comprising of AAUVUDAIYAAR plus the main LINGAM...

... exhibits to Mankind that the SEX IS HOLY.... and NOT A SIN.

One of the several Names of the Lord Siva is KAAMESWARAN...

...and the Name of PARVATHI as KAMESHWARI.

They equally convey by ONE OF ITS SEVERAL MEANINGS linking with the SEX SENSE of Male-Female Union only.

The Great Epic KUMARASAMBHAVAM on the birth of the Lord Muruga, elaborately describes...

...such a deep sense of HOLINESS OF SEX

God Siva could have created or got created the Lord Subrahmanya even without SEXUAL RELATIONS.

But all the Epics on Muruga clearly establish that Lord Muruga was born by means of only the SEXUAL RELATIONS by His Parents Siva-Parvathi.

Brigu rishi brought out to the World AAVUDAI-LINGAM,

...the Holy Symbolism of Siva-Parvathi... INSEPARABLE UNISON FORM.

So according to Vedic Religion... SEX IS HOLY... and NOT SINFUL.

Only the Mankind becomes the SINNER by UNHOLY MEANS....

...under the PERVERTED Banner of Sex.!

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[PARAMASHIVAN]

Sudhama sir

I am not bothered about whether Shiva is supreme or Shakhty is supreme or Jesus is supreme. I just simply said that!

I also said that BK mainly deals with day to day 'Material life' matters, which defies all the logic of creation. I also mentioned sad guru speaks logical aspect of the creator and the creation.

Regarding sex, it is meant for reproduction purposes, hence can not be called sinful, but when used for purposes other than reproduction it is not sinful

More on this later,

[Sudhaama]

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I also said that BK mainly deals with day to day 'Material life' matters, which defies all the logic of creation.

Regarding sex,

...it is meant for reproduction purposes,

...hence can not be called sinful,

...but when used for purposes...

... other than reproduction, it is not sinful

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Your statements are SELF-CONTRADICTORY.! May be a Typographical Error on one word "NOT"

You mean Sex...SINFUL.?.... Or not sinful.?


My MAIN POINTs of Stand on this Brahma-Kumari Mission are Two.

(1) Is Sexual-Relation... SINFUL?... UNHOLY ACT.?

(2) How and Why the Human Excretion of Stools is considered as POLLUTION to Body or Soul.?...

...necessitating BATH Everytime after SOLID WASTE EXCRETION only.?

In the SOUL-EMANCIPATION Scope of this Organisation, is PASSING STOOLS in anyway different from URINATION., Spitting, Vomit...

... and such other BODY-WASTES to be cleared off and eliminated from Body... Time to time.?

...as provided by Nature.?

Regarding Sex... I am sorry to differ with the Concept of BRAHMA-KUMARIS...

My stand is based on Science and Vedic Concept.

Sexual-Relation is NOT MEANT... NOR INTENDED for REPRODUCTION purposes ONLY.

But also in the interest of BODILY WELL-BEING...

...including SOUL Conservation of One UNIQUE SORT of Human pursuit on Life.

But it does not mean MAD SEX.!

...Nor a Justification for IMMORAL CHARACTER of Mankind the SUPREME CREATURE..!

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[Sudhaama]

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Sexual Relation : Not Sinful, but DIVINE by Soul-sense.!


Important IKA-BHOGAM (Earthly PLEASURE)


Lord Siva by Lingam is an EMBODIMENT of JOY.!!!


...according to VEDIC SCRIPTURES.!



That is why, the Marriage is conducted by Hindus as the most grand scale event in anybodys WHOLE Life

DISCIPLINED SEX .... from SIXTEEN to SIXTY Years of age of Male, is stipulated.

Yes. The Sashti-abdha poorthi celebration for the Parents at the Fathers Birthday anniversary of 60 year age...

...indicates RECOGNITION of several MALE-FEMALE UNISON senses...

...IMPORTANT of which is the Successful practice of Mating.


FIRST NIGHT on the Marriage day.

LAST NIGHT on Sashtiabda poorthi day.

UNMARRIED Life or Celebacy is a REAL PUNISHMENT... a Saintly Life.!

Vedas do not wish nor stipulate that SEX IS A SIN.

Sex-practice is the NORMAL PART OF LIFE... like Eating, Sleeping etc.

Rather a part of LIFE-CYCLE.

Lord Siva by Lingam is an EMBODIMENT of Joy.

And one more INTERESTING POINT.

By having Sex... the TRULY MUTUAL LOVING concerned Husband and Wife Two Souls get closer and united towards their Joint well-being,

...earning the DIVINE GRACE.

Practically found TRUE.!!!


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[PARAMASHIVAN]

I am not contradicting, I am saying sex is meant for reproduction purpose only! It is not a must , without that you can live, but without eating , sleeping, drinking you can not!

Regarding this Lingam symbolism, it is very sad to see some illicit assumptions by the westerners. After all an object can be seen as anything , it is all existing in your mind. Sorry I am not willing to discuss on this aspect any furrther

[Sudhaama]

I am not contradicting,

No doubt, Your stand is TOTALLY A CONTRADICTION with mine.

I understand we differ by Views.

I am saying sex is meant for reproduction purpose only!

It is not a must , without that you can live, but without eating , sleeping, drinking you can not!

No. i stand by what I have already said... basing on Science and Vedic Scriptures.

Sorry I am not willing to discuss on this aspect any furrther

I have said what all I have got to say on this Thread about Brahmakumari mission.

So far it was a DISCUSSION. Further if we continue... it will be an ARGUMENT...

...which sort of ANTAGONISTIC approach, I dislike and avoid with Friends.

Let us put an end to this part of diversion towards Sex thoughts under this SOUL-EMANCIPATION Scope.

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